It makes me wonder: When demand is THIS intense for a 75% off sale, you think it'd mean a more optimal "normal" price point would be at 25-50% off your current normal prices, wouldn't you?

So anyone who's - for example - still using ReSharper 6 will probably leap at this opportunity to finally get fixes for critical bugs in the product. Normally you'd have to pay $100 or more to upgrade just for bug fixes; now it's a rather more reasonable $30 or so.

If the demand for this offer is so intense their servers melt down for hours on end it seems this is pointing to a huge opportunity the rest of the year to reach all those who think 4x the current sales price (whether for the full version or the update) is "unreasonable".

One data point would be myself: as a single developer, spending 100€ on AppCode never felt "reasonable" considering XCode was free. 25€ is an instabuy of course - so it seems to me the "sweet spot" is more around 50-60€ where they'd reach far more than twice as many customers than at 100€...

Flash sales like this are used to maximum revenue. They earn full price most of the year and do flash sales to get everyone that doesn't want to pay full price to pay something.

Coupons work the same way. If your price sensitive you'll spend the time to clip coupons and get the better deal. If you're less price sensitive, you won't "waste your time" with coupons and will pay full time. Sales and profits increase for the company.

For example I bought AppCode and PyCharm today instead of waiting until Q1 of next year like I originally planned.

There are definitely a good number of people that might not consider the full price worth it, but that's why JetBrains has occasional sales around holidays, back to school, etc.

The fact that the servers are going down and people are excited by the offer also means that we will feel left out if we do not do what our fellow humans have validated as a good choice.

If they offered the product at a cheaper price normally, they are devaluing the product, which is not what they want to do. This is a $100 product for $25, not a $50 product for $50.

75% off for your product should create a much larger sales revenue, but within a certain factor. Beyond that just shows that most of your potential customers view your software as being heavily overpriced.

If you've got a great product and there's no competition on par in the market, you can charge what ever you like and people will pay (photoshop, maya, resharper, etc).

A sale like this just spikes interest and no doubt drives a lot of chatter which will pull other full price paying customers to the site to buy more stuff.

As a company with shareholders, can you really justify throwing away profits by cutting your prices permanently by 75%?

For this to be a reasonable proposition you need 4x your current customer base that you can prove wont buy your product unless you slash the price.

You'd probably see some rise in volumes, but 500%?

O_o I"m dubious.

(I've always thought the Jetbrains stuff was quite modestly priced; compared to say, Xamarin's offerings)

I've been using IntelliJ since version 4 or so and before the free/community edition and commercial edition divide I have to admit I was poor and did use the crack. Then came the free version and I could use IntelliJ without being a pirate and without buying it.

The commercial version has a few niceties (code coverage, dependency structure matrix, better JavaScript support etc.) that I was missing but I wasn't exactly willing to pay 200 Euros for these yet: not that I didn't have the money but more out of lazyness and thinking "bah, I don't really need these, 200 Euros for that is a bit steep".

Now at 47 Euros I'm falling for it.

That's it: after nearly ten years of using IntelliJ (including both years and years using the free version and years and years using cracked version), I'm eventually buying it.

So I don't think it's just appealing to people who've never used it and think: "hey, that's x/4 instead of x, let's buy this thing, it's a bargain" in the same way that women loves "sales".

I think there are quite some people who've always been wanting the additional features but weren't quite willing to put 200 Euros for it.

Plus there's the doomsday thinggy: it's going to be cool to remember that that one software I bought it on what was supposed to be the last day on earth ; )

“I'm mainly doing Ruby. Do I want RubyMine? IntelliJ IDEA supports all the Ruby stuff plus other languages too right? Argh, this is complicated. Maybe I'll take another look later if I think I really want/need this.”

to

“Hey 75% off. I think I'll just grab both. Maybe even collect all 6!”

For example, Steam sales. When I see a game that is interesting I will think "cool, but I should finish all of the games I'm currently playing first". If I have 24 hours hours to get it at half price it feels like I am actually saving money in the long run even if I don't play it straight away.

Whether it was worth the initial price or not is almost irrelevant. I imagine if they set their prices to 25% permanently there would still be high demand if they did a further 25% sale.

Considering the awesome support, level of polish and massive value provided by the JetBrains team, their products are actually pretty cheap.

I guess that a lot of people are just exercising their options regardless of actual need for the product.

For me PyCharm has paid itself many times over. Keep up the good work JetBrains!

Anyone used AppCode? I'm tempted to give it a try, but what's its killer features compared to Xcode? If refactoring works with ObjC++ that'd be a great start; worth EUR23 alone.

This article summed it up quite well for me when I was making the decision.

I had already been an Intellij user for a few years before starting on iOS projects on the side. At the time, AppCode wasn't available yet, so I had no choice. The more I used Xcode, the more I lamented the lack of choice.

Once AppCode came out, I bought it right away. It's a lot more stable and usable now, and I would definitely recommend it to anyone who has used anything other than Xcode.

If you've been an Xcode user all your life, you don't really know any better, and that's fine, more power to you.

If you've used any other IDE before, you know the features that Xcode lacks, and AppCode is the alternative you've been hoping for.

But, again AppCode is an awesome tool. When you consider the only way JetBrains can write a tool that reads Xcode projects is to constantly reverse engineer what Apple puts out, it's quite amazing.

I prefer the idea of a single extensible IDE, but can't figure out the tradeoffs by reading the descriptions.

Here's an old doc from JetBrains about RubyMine and Intellij IDEA: http://devnet.jetbrains.net/docs/DOC-1146

As per this article: http://www.cimgf.com/2012/12/13/xcode-lldb-tutorial/, in Xcode it's possible to change the values of variables on the fly, while debugging, using breakpoints. I don't think that's possible at the moment with AppCode (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Having said that, I'm 99% of my day in AppCode and I go to Xcode only for xib editing and this kind of advanced lldb debugging.

I'm not using any proxy service, but was just taken to the Czech version of the site. At the bottom of the prices page "Purchases from Czech Republic are charged in EUR. If you are not from Czech Republic, please select your country", unfortunately, the United States isn't on the list. So I'd say they're more than slow at the moment.

mcherm - yes, for usability purposes they should be put in both places

I could care less about iOS development as it is not part of my day job.

I occasional use Python (and sometimes this involves Django). I wonder, does PyCharm have any extra features that make it worth getting in addition to IDEA? Or is IDEA good enough for this already?

Also some of the plugins are available only for PyCharm but this will hopefully change (for example, Lua plugin is only for PyCharm).

As of today I haven't found a way to add new packages to virtualenvs in IDEA but they are easy to install in PyCharm.

Someone chose a really bad time for scheduled maintenance... I'm doubting it was scheduled.

Hope they get this resolved soon.

Does the doomsday 47 Euros version 11 of IntelliJ IDEA qualifies for the free upgrade to version 12?

If it does please resolve this fast or give us 24 hours from the time the issue is fixed ; )

@pbhjpbhj - With 100% certainty there was no let's put up a "scheduled maintenance" page to mislead anybody. If you have followed this post, facebook, twitter, our blogs, etc. it has been clear that this was purely a volume issue and the priority was to get the website and shop up and running as quickly as possible. There are people who have been and continue to work very hard to take orders and support all of those who are experiencing issues. There have been some things to learn from this process and ensuring a proper message page appears if/when a likewise issue raises its head again in the future. We welcome and appreciate feedback from all but let's nice turn a great promotion for JetBrains developers into something ugly that it is not.

So why not a "site overloaded" page then.

I'd guess it went down like

1: "the servers are melting; Rackspace say they can handle it for $X million"

2: "take the site down while we switch over to Amazon"

1: "what do we tell customers"

2: "just stick up the 'scheduled maintenance' page".

It's perhaps on the level of lying to your boss that you got stuck in [road] traffic on the way to work.

A mistake, not a "lie as a matter of policy".

If you put up an error page that says "scheduled maintenance" and the "maintenance" is unscheduled then that's a lie. It's not a mistake unless you accidentally put the wrong page up or something like that.

It's a pretty common corporate thing: they have a panic situation and instead of saying "we're overloaded with traffic and can't keep the server up but are trying hard to meet the load; please try again tomorrow" or something they say "scheduled maintenance". It's barefaced lying and it's a pretty good indicator IMO of low morals.

What's more if they said they had problems I'd personally be sympathetic. If they say they've "scheduled maintenance" at a busy time then I'm inclined to think they're pretty poor at running their business.

Did your company schedule taking down web services [that enable purchase of the products your promoting] for _maintenance_ on the day you're running a 24hour promotion?

Or, did you lie and say it was "scheduled" when it's anything but.

Or, some other state?

Scheduling maintenance today would be kinda like a shop deciding to clean all the floors the day they open for their annual sale.

I'm looking at Rubymine and PHPstorm, at these prices ill call it a Christmas present from me to me.

Unfortunately lots of other people seem to have the same idea and the site is currently bricked.

It also looks like it will be getting nice Torquebox integration soon if you are a jruby / Torquebox person.

I must admit though that I do not use the advanced features half as much as I should.

Note that IntelliJ effectively includes both RubyMine and PHPStorm (+ PyCharm); it's the better choice if you're wanting both.

It also integrates with using Foreman so you can still debug in the IDE, which since I deploy to Heroku (and I'm a big ol Ruby novice), was a really big plus.

The contract I'm on doesn't have an escape clause for apocalypses, so I'm gonna need that software soon.

Not a demand, just really want rubymine and phpstorm =)

I'm starting to get a little frustrated with Komodo, and I remember liking a very brief Pycharm demo I tried a few years back, but I'd love to hear an HNer's opinion if you happen to use it day to day.

It seemed to have a pretty good reputation back then, but one of the concerns I had was hearing something on HN about it occasionally "optimizing" or making modifications to your code unilaterally.

Thanks in advance.

This is exactly what I say when people ask about pyCharm. I think i've tried a dozen IDEs and its the only one I stuck to. I've used it for a couple of years now for django and python development (and they've also just added first-class Flask support), plus I use it for front-end/javascript coding now too, I couldn't live without it now.

Before trying PyCharm and switching basically immediately I was using heavily plugged Vim and Tmux setup.

The main problem I had with the old setup was not Python, actually it was JavaSript editing, since Vim syntax highlighting just breaks down on modern JS.

After I tried out PyCharm I was an instant convert, JS and HTML editors are awersome, Vim integration is awesome and Django and VCS integrations are awesome.

PyCharm made coding fun again for me, its that good.

I never had PyCharm making undetected changes to my code.

For instance, If I've got a Rails project with JS in it, do I need both WebStorm and RubyMine?

Wish there was "one IDE to rule them all!" type of thing. I don't work in just one language.

I've had pretty good success with most basic JavaScript stuff, whether in a .js file or embedded in some server side template. Haven't tested it with more complex stuff though. I also concur with my siblings here that IntelliJ IDEA is my "one IDE to rule them all!".

For IDEA, though, you can indeed get the same functionality of PHPStorm, PyCharm, etc, by simply using their respective plugins for IDEA. However, the plugins are sometimes behind the stand-alone IDEs, in terms of features.

I recently renewed my WebStorm license (it's valid till August 2013). If anyone from Jetbrains is reading this, can I renew it for another year today?

However, your Order Details page, prompting for name, address and other contact info, and payment type (but not account details), is coming across via HTTP rather than HTTPS [1]. I would REALLY prefer that to be HTTPS.

[1] http://www.jetbrains.com/eshop/checkout/displaySummary.do

P.S. I "forced" the Shopping Cart page to HTTPS by editing the address bar. I can then proceed; however, the pages still contain some elements delivered via HTTP.

Upon reaching element5 to process my payment, I find that its data collection page (the first page I reach, and which is asking for my credit card information), is delivered via HTTPS but also has some elements delivered via HTTP -- that is, the HTTPS connection is "broken".

You really should have a look at revising and improving your payment processing.

P.P.S. Ok, on that first element5 page, I chose the link to "Change Payment". The next page I received was fully HTTPS, and selecting the credit card option, I'm back to a page prompting for CC details, but this time it's fully HTTPS.

If anyone wonders why I'm writing this here ("HN isn't a bug tracker"), the OP has identified themselves as being with JetBrains, and I'd really like to see this fixed -- and thanks for the sale price, if I can help their conversion rate a bit by making the purchase flow look a bit less... "troubling".

Update from payment processor: all pending orders are expected to be confirmed/processed by EOD today (CET) ~ in approx. 6-7 hours.

After confirming orders, JetBrains will be handling license delivery that could take up to 48 hours but we'll be working as fast as we can.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

For official information stay tuned to: https://twitter.com/jetbrains/

Best Regards - Robert Demmer

    We're thrilled that you've come all the way here to buy our products! Thank you!

    However, we did not expect the load on our servers would be this high. We are working hard right now to fix the problem.

    Please be patient and come back in a couple of hours.
    There's still time...

    -The JetBrains Team

But the world might have ended in a couple of hours!!!

The latest update from twitter, "Payment processor is expecting to process/confirm all pending orders in a few hours after the promo ends. Everyone will get their licenses! "

edit: Sale prices are back.

edit2: Purchases complete still working, still awaiting license code.

I don't have any reason to doubt it'll come, but I'm kicking myself for not waiting until later when everything would have been running smoothly.

Bit cross with myself for not writing down the order ID, but usually an auto-email comes straight after.

Edit: it seems fixed now!

Edit: Oh apparently it's for personal editions only.

Also you have to buy it with your own money.

"Personal licenses are not available to companies in any way or form. Transfer of personal licenses to any third party and/or reimbursement for personal license purchase by a company are prohibited by the Personal License Agreement"

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/buy.jsp#personal

https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/license-matrix.jsp

My conclusion is that as long as you have paid for it you can use it at work but cannot reclaim expenses for it or transfer it in any way.

How is that a valid condition (legally)? If you bought a programming book on your Kindle, Amazon would have no legal ground to prohibit your company from reimbursing you.

It's actually a valid scenario. Suppose you want to evaluate IDEA for your company but need more than 30 days. You could buy the personal edition and use it. After your evaluation is done, the company reimburses you. If you liked it, presumably your company bought a site license at the same time which you can use instead. If you didn't just stop using it.

BTW, I have no interest in doing this; I'm just curious.

I generally hate non open source software licenses but this area of the terms doesn't seem overly unreasonable to me as they are offering a discount from the normal price for individuals but without extending it to the (usually) less price sensitive companies.

I was really hoping to get resharper for my coworkers. Every time I go to a computer without it, I realize all the best things I love in Visual Studio turn out to be features from Resharper :D

No no, didn't you read it's just "scheduled maintenance". No biggy, nothing to do with extra traffic at all.

The app flagged objects, methods, and variables that were created in other files as "undefined."

I could see how that would be helpful under other circumstances, but does anyone know if PhpStorm is set up to play nice with most PHP frameworks?

Also: For smaller projects, is there any advantage to buying a Python IDE over just using a tricked out version of Vi?

Auto complete is nice & all, but Vi is Vi.

I'm not surprised that an old CodeIgniter project flagged these issues.

As for vi, I use vi every day as well. I switch between that and PHPStorm. It depends on the context that I'm in. Both are wonderful tools. But I can assure you, auto-complete is a basic feature of PHPStorm. It's akin to 'set nu'.

Edit: This comment comes off as a bit snarky. It's not intended to be. I think JetBrains and it's line of products are excellent, and I've only ever had good experiences with them. I wouldn't want my comment to reflect poorly on them.

It does play nicely with Zend and Silex (and other composer-style frameworks). I'm not sure about Symfony or CodeIgnitor.

I must say I really like PyCharm as a Python IDE. Tricked out vim is just too hard to install onto new machines, etc.

Glad that the Mayan came up with the end of the world! That made my day!

[0]http://www.jetbrains.com/specials/img/end/bgr_page.png

Would I be better off getting IntelliJ and getting plugins for it, or having PyCharm and WebStorm separately? This has an impact down the road when I have to renew licences!

Do you know any specific feature that you are looking for that is not in Pycharm? I am in a similar situation and was wondering the same.

Update: Thank you for the replies. Glad to know I didn't accidentally mistype my email twice. I agree, their license server might be hiccupping now that they got the order system fixed.

Update 2: Still haven't recieved an email. Just logged into my bank account (I used my debit card) and I don't see any holds or anything. I'm beginning to wonder if the transaction actually went through. In the order process there's the page that said if it takes longer than 30 seconds click the link below to continue. I had to click the link and the following page had an order or reference number (which I didn't bother to write down because I assume these things go through fine... I've never had a problem before).

Will the sale be extended through today for those of us who threw money at Jetbrains, but were unable to put it in your pocket?

Is it true ?

If I buy IntelliJ IDEA, will I be able to do everything that can be done in WebStorm ? (just trying to not buy both if it is not necessary)

EDIT - From reading the comments I think appCode is separate but the others can be installed as plug-ins to IDEA, I presume for free.

For example, the plugin list for my copy of IntelliJ Ultimate 11 (cheap upgrade to 12 incoming, woo) shows a PHP plugin whose description says "PhpStorm/WebStorm 4.0.3 version". PhpStorm 5 was released in September, but a lot of the IntelliJ plugins for its features haven't seen an update since then.

Edit: Upgraded to IDEA 12, and it looks like the bundled plugins contain full WebStorm 5 functionality.

Which means there's no need to rush to order today.

[1] This based on the 50% control requirement listed in the existing JetBrains license.

Tried a second time to pay with PayPal, which accepts the transaction: however the confirmation page displays an error, saying to contact sales, and the form to contact sales ends up throwing up another error.

Now my credit card payment is in a indeterminate state, while the PayPal payment got through but I wasn't given a license key and there does not seem to be a reliable way to get one.

Luckily I still have my license for the previous IntelliJ version, it looks like I will use it for quite a while.

* PayPal has debited my account, but no order confirmation from JetBrains and no license key

* my credit card has been charged as well, I have an order confirmation from JetBrains but no license key

* I have been able to submit a request to sales, but that was when I thought that only the PayPal order had gone through

Robert, in the end I'll tell sales (if and when they get back to me) that IntelliJ IDEA is such a good product that you can keep both payments and give me one upgrade license.

So far, not that impressed over Eclipse, but we'll see. I'm going to keep monkeying with it for the rest of the day.

If, in the end, it doesn't go through, I'm OK with that too.

Alas, when I got to checkout, the discounted prices are not reflected in my cart.

  The publisher of "PRODUCT" has been notified and is
  responsible for delivering this product. JetBrains s.r.o
  will deliver the product within 48 hours.

Also, you can always give it a spin for free and see if you like it. I think just simple things like startup times and auto complete speed will make you want it.

Can anyone tell me why I should switch to this IDE?

What am I missing out on? Many of the 'smarts' seem dependent on writing code in a particular way (eg, using PHPdoc) or following their file naming conventions.

I'm eager to try anything that's better. But I'm not getting it.

Source: https://twitter.com/jetbrains/status/281733624942981120

Personal licenses are not available to companies in any way or form. Transfer of personal licenses to any third party and/or reimbursement for personal license purchase by a company are prohibited by the Personal License Agreement.

So not sure what to make of that exactly... Individuals can buy it and use it commercially but companies can't? Even if you're a contractor working in your spare time, you are likely to be registered as a limited company.

However... in effect I am the company, no one else will use it. JetBrains need to give us an official answer on that situation. I qualify for the personal license, but I have to enter a VAT number

surely the commercial licence is for when a company is buying it, and expects to have N programmers, who are replaceable, using it at any one time. that's a completely different use case.

the only frustrating thing is that if you have multiple machines (say a desktop and a laptop) and switch between them (eg working one project on the laptop in living room; leaving the ide open for another project in the office) then it complains. you can fix this by blocking some firewall port (bonjour iirc). oh, that and the complete LACK OF SUPPORT FOR C / C++... in intellij idea.