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That's a reasonable take on what downvoting is for, but the HN take is that it's better to downvote a disagreement than to write a noisy bad comment to express the same disagreement.


Interesting. At first I thought, wait a minute, isn't "don't downvote to disagree" in the HN Guidelines? Then I checked, and no, it isn't. The guidelines talk about downvoting ("downmodding") very briefly, and only to say that one shouldn't complain when it happens to him or her. There are no guidelines on how or why to downvote.

Maybe this is a problem, in and of itself? Seems different people have different takes on the use case for downvoting.


The "HN take on downvoting" comes directly from Paul Graham. People disagree with it, but it is what it is.

I don't downvote disagreement, but that's because I'm a compulsive (and, from what I can tell, fast) commenter.

The simple way to metabolize this system is just not to get unhappy when you get downvoted.


Gotcha. I'll take your word for it, because I regard you as about as much a lay authority on HN posting as HN has. And if pg has weighed in on this topic, well, he's quite the authority, too. :)

That being said, I still feel weird about downvoting to disagree. The way I see it, disagreement-downvoting creates noise in its own way. Less noise than unproductive or bad replies, certainly, but more noise than doing nothing.

"The simple way to metabolize this system is just not to get unhappy when you get down voted."

True, and this is also an official guideline. (A good one, too, IMO).


> is that it's better to downvote a disagreement than to write a noisy bad comment to express the same disagreement

No, quite the opposite. (See I wrote a comment explaining that I disagree, I didn't just click the arrow. Much more valuable to you and the reader.)

And that's why you are wrong, by saying why you disagree you might (rarely) change the posters mind, or more likely change a 3rd readers mind about the topic.

Clicking downvote is pretty useless.


I don't know who you're arguing with, but I was making a positive statement, not a normative one.


It wasn't obvious that you do not hold by the HN norm you described.

I don't think it's the norm anyway, I think it's a minority that do that.


I think it was helpful for ars to cite the problems with such a policy in a reply, even if you weren't advocating that policy.


Wouldn't it be better to upvote the disagreements you agree with?


This isn't my argument, but you're missing its point. Think of disagreement downvotes as a pressure release valve for the downvoter. The idea is to prevent you from expressing your disagreement in an unproductive comment.




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