Halal? I'm pretty sure I'd rather a bolt to the brain than having my throat sliced open and being left to bleed out.

Free range chickens still die, which is often the ethical reason for vegetarians/vegans.

> I'd rather a bolt to the brain than having my throat sliced open and being left to bleed out.

Agree.

> Free range chickens still die, which is often the ethical reason for vegetarians/vegans.

Disagree. For me at least the death itself is comparatively insignificant. What's far more significant is horrible conditions in which many mass produced meat animals spend their lives, i.e. Factory farming.

Those don't get around the act of killing.

I understand that. My point was more with the fair treatment of animals and respect for animal life, rather than the killing of animals.

Halal does nothing fair or respectful for the animal. And if you think free-range means anything significant (for 95% of the cases), think again.

I'm sorry, free range depends on the country in question and I should have been more specific. I was talking about UK regulations, but I can understand your point regarding US regulations, if that was indeed your point.

I don't think you understand how little regulations have to do with veg*nism.

Alright, I give up; I have clearly misunderstood something.

The problem with free range (at least in Australia) is that it doesn't really mean what customers expect it to.

Often the only difference is that a free range barn will have a small outside area, which the chickens may not access because all the food is inside [1].

I think most vegetarians/vegans would agree that Halal meat is ethically worse than the 'bolt to the brain' alternative. Of course this is a sweeping generalisation.

[1] http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-the-difference-between-free-r...