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Saying “we gotta get Greenland” when the people in Greenland say they don’t want to join the US. Then refusing to rule out using force. If you want to say that no exact act of treachery has been committed, then substitute “treacherous words”, which also harms alliances.

> what treachery was committed?

Invading ones allies has been treacherous for millenia. If you want to be pedantic, you can say the U.S. President is openly threatening treachery, and showing as part of his character an affinity for it.


This is about way more than a few tariffs. Think Venezuela, think madman jizzing over the idea of invading greenland, or just throwing tantrums on an international scale.

But Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam ... were not a problem?

Ahistorical BS, I am sorry. As if Trump is a radical departure of NORMS. Euros were chanting HO HO HO CHI MIN in 1968 in the streets of Berlin and Paris.

There is a long tradition of anti-American feelings outside the US, like with any hegemon.

The global left had to build walls to keep their people IN, crush them with tanks, from Prague to Berlin to Beijing. So there is that.

HN turning so left is weird to watch, I guess a reflection of PG's stances and moderation/group votes. Well, money does not give a fig.


classic whataboutism

if you don't think Trump is a departure from norms you aren't paying enough attention


I believe this is the correct response.

We're not going to debate the measuring stick when the stick itself is incapable of measuring the outcome.

In none of those scenarios provided did a sitting US president come close to insinuating acquisition of land by "hook or crook" - either agree with us or we take it.

The closest modern discussion that comes to mind is the PRC saying they could militarily "walk in and take the whole this afternoon" in regard to Hong Kong.

Thatcher, for all her wrongs, provided a salient response:

"There is nothing I could do to stop you, but the eyes of the world would now know what China is like."

The US has shown the world what we're like with the current administration.


I believe Saddam Hussein would disagree with you, if he could.

Just bonkers how basic history is getting rewritten.

"The great satan USA" has been a slogan since the 1960s. The US dropped napalm and agent orange on Vietnamese civilians en masse - Lyndon B Johnson was what, a good guy?

What on earth are people learning about today?


Interesting you'd think I know about 1980's Hong Kong political handover of power and not know about whatever whataboutism you're spouting.

Truly remarkable.


Bro is cooked

>> I'm sorry, what treachery was committed? The imposition of import taxes is not treachery.

It is an egregious violation of the Constitution, which specifically says that only Congress can impose taxes.


You must be a proud holder of his cryptocurrency.



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