I am not saying that they are aligned with HN guidelines but I am saying that their core message was still valid (although I agree that perhaps it was written in bad way) & they don't really fit the ideal HN guidelines

I agree with you and want to say that we shouldn't call people morons for voting for trump (unless they are voting because of their biases towards a particular race in which we can agree that that's bad) but rather the fact to align them towards and pointing them to real facts and showing the facts that politics can change and its not as core identity and they should look at the facts (as evidenced by many surveys one of which you showed in another tangential post as a comment and I agree with that) and try to do something about it (this is the core part I believe so where the people should try to do something when they are impacted against)

I agree we shouldn't use uncivil comments to people we don't align with partially because that still raises the us vs them dynamic which should be stopped in the first place and comments blanket calling morons does feel like increasing that tension

They should've done a better job giving more facts and being more civil so yeah I can agree with that but that being said, I still believe that what they are saying has true merit and can and should be rephrased in better words for the masses to capture to liberate themselves from echo-chamber related noises

My best advice would be to heed the guidelines and make the best case you can for whatever opinion you have without sliding into snark.

That frees me from having to choose between [flagging] and [dead]'ing your comments or reminding you of the guidelines.

Agreed.