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> With the Greenland invasion insanity, Europe is finally getting a small taste of what it's like to be a normal person living in the US the past decade. Fantasy, vibes, and really bad values have taken over the semblance of sanity.

Well thanks but I really don't want to have a taste of the US' problems. We have enough of our own thanks.


What does your comment has to do with the topic of this thread? Why do you guys always need to insert US politics into everything?

all i can say as a citizen of this country is that it will continue to do whatever it wants until there are consequences. everyone needs to recognize that.

There are already plenty of consequences, even if you don't see them.

i mean for the people doing it

even when americans are dying or suffering, as long as someone foreign isn't killing them, the consequences don't seem to matter

True for most countries except israel, Israel has killed american soldiers even. From the very beginning of their state. Look up the USS Liberty incident. They bombed the warship with mirages to make sure their cold blooded murder of an arab coastal village wouldnt be investigated.

Friendly fire happens all the time. Israel handled it about as well as they could have, by apologizing and paying reparations. It's also been 58 years now since the accident.

American soldiers have also killed thousands of American soldiers; should the US punish itself?


israel has killed many americans, they dont seem to pay any price for it

> The US has become a nation that values persuasion over reality. It values the propaganda over truth.

These things don’t happen overnight. That thing has been boiling for at least a decade.

As a non American, that’s evident…


It really started with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

> The EU couldn't pull it together because they have only sticks, whereas the US could use carrots to cause massive investment.

Perhaps that's also part of the downfall: the US unlearnt the necessity to use sticks to stamp down the ugly side of capitalism.


The IRA wasn't a cure-all and Trump/the OBBBA didn't exactly kill it dead, either. 84% of IRA clean energy grants, or $96.7B, was protected from clawback by Trump [0.] The tax credits are largely intact. Many of the projects were already completed and fully funded.

Go through a list of IRA projects, though, and you'll see two things: 1) they weren't generally killed by Trump, and 2) the IRA still did not get the US competitive with China. Let's take the largest one, the Toyota plant in NC, which is operational, and impressive in that it makes the batteries from raw materials BUT it has an eye-watering cost for the capacity ($~14B for 30 GWh/yr vs. $>4B for 30GWh/yr at Hyundai's plant.) Compare that to a Chinese plant at $50-100M/GWh and you can see that despite huge subsidies at several levels - including a $35/kWh subsidy for domestic cell production - the US is far behind here.

Look at the others and you'll see similar stories. Ford-SK On just split up because the F-150 is too expensive, demand is soft, and SK On wants to do energy storage. If we could make the F-150 competitively, demand would be higher, but it's incredibly expensive relative to a Chinese EV.

The more promising story is in solar (panel manufacturing and installs) but again, not a cure-all under Biden or a catastrophe under Trump. The US solar industry just had its third largest quarter on record, and we can now make every part of a solar panel in the US in volume. Module production capacity is at 60 GW, up 37% from Dec 2024, and cell production is at 3.2 GW, up from 1.2 GW a year ago [1.] That's a much prettier picture (regarding manufacturing) than in the EU, where manufacturing capacity is far lower and not growing nearly as quickly, although the EU has a larger installed base of (mostly Chinese) panels.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/biden-...

[1] https://seia.org/news/third-largest-quarter-on-record/

Good explainer of PV panel production process: https://www.iea.org/reports/solar-pv-global-supply-chains/ex...


FAFO, sadly



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