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I think people should get paid for the time they spend commuting too and from work.

Companies would change their tune on WFH real quick if that were the case.



You just made sure only people who can afford to live near work are hired.


> You just made sure only people who can afford to live near work are hired.

And what’s wrong with that?

Is every person on earth entitled to a job?

If yes, voice your concern with your local government.


This take feels like it’s being made in bad faith.

Person 1 - childless, has a flat in the city.

Person 2 - couple kids, needs more space, lives 45 minutes from work

Why should person 2 be at a disadvantage?


I don't think we should incentivize people to have longer commutes


That "incentive" already exists in the form of cheaper housing the further away you go.

I agree that commuting should be considered as part of "work", but I always took into account commute time when considering job opportunities. The pay obviously never had an explicit "commute" line, but my math was "this job + this commute for this pay". Figure if it's worth it or not.


I don't think people should be doing unpaid labor. What's the win-win?


Salaried employees are already paid for their labour, I'm not paid hour by hour.

If I work one extra hour, was that unpaid and my employer stealing from me? If I work one hour less, is that me stealing from my employer? No on both counts in my opinion.

When picking a job I consider a commute a cost already and would need to be compensated for it in the form of higher pay.

But I don't think we should artificially stack the deck in favour of people who live close to work, that just adds a totally fake and unneeded item to the long list of advantages e.g. non parents have over parents who need a bigger house or access to schools.


Agreed, which is why all salaried positions allow you to leave work at any time, as long as your work is done for the day.


Heh, "all". Fun fact: you don't know "all".


That was a joke. The percentage of salary positions that allow this rounds to 0.


That surely already is the case. I pay more for rent to live closer to work. People who live further away don't.

If you want to get paid more, negotiate it.

Seems like a non issue to me.


You can get paid for that. You just need to negotiate it with your employer. It’s not easy, specially if they have other candidates.


"It's not easy"... "Nearly impossible" is another word for it.


Everyone already does. If a job involves picking up toxic sludge, commuting long distances, or any other badness factors, you're going to get paid more because the labor market will clear at a higher price. This is how all markets function, the labor market is no exception. I believe governments should fix market failures, but this isn't an example of a market failure.

You could maybe make an argument only for minimum wage jobs as a special case, because the price for labor can't freely adjust downwards if you force companies to also pay for commute.


The Efficient Market Hypothesis is an approximation at best, and fails hard at labor issues.

Employee salaries don't fluctuate continuously. In most cases, labor loading - the number of warm bodies paid to be there 9-5 - can't fluctuate much, quickly (with the exception of catastrophic business failure). Salaries and wages almost never go downwards for employees already hired. Etc.




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