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No argument about the enforceability of it. US law actually isn't even sufficient. The US body politic has to do it.

> Real debate happening around whether war crimes were committed

But the debate isn't about whether war crimes were committed. The debate is whether war crime law is relevant. And that debate is endless for the reason I just explained: the Trump admin will play the shell game of defining the relevant legal framework as X when it suits them, then Y when it suits them, then Z when it suits them, despite the fact that X Y and Z are mutually exclusive of each other.

Are they a stateless vessel? Are they narco-terrorists? Are they drug smugglers? Are they foreign invaders? Are they agents of the Venezuelan government?

Well, all and none of the above, depending on who is asking for what reason.

This is legal nihilism and Schmittian Decisionism. The administration has declared itself unbound by law altogether. All that matters is calling it a violation, collecting evidence, and when political powers shift, holding the relevant parties to account. Under a non-nihilistic/decisionist legal framework, there will be no shortage of chargeable offenses.



> US body politic has to do it

That body politic remains, for now, grounded in voters. The number of calls Congressmen receive in the coming days about this issue will determine whether it's taken seriously.

> the debate isn't about whether war crimes were committed. The debate is whether war crime law is relevant

First step in any court opinion is the establishment of juridiction. That's important here.

Even in this thread, we have folks arguing war crime statute doesn't apply. That appears to be false. It's an example of why debating and establishing that this law is relevant in the popular discourse is important.

> Are they a stateless vessel? Are they narco-terrorists? Are they drug smugglers? Are they foreign invaders? Are they agents of the Venezuelan government?

Another reason to focus on U.S. law. I don't believe these distinctions matter under it.


Trump, like Biden, will preemptively pardon everyone involved on his way out




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