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During the early neolithic, when people were digging holes with sticks or their bare hands to plant seeds, the annual risk of starvation is estimated to be 5% to 15% in a bad year.

Periodic famine every 5-10 years would kill 20% or more of the population. 40% to 60% of skeletons from that period show chronic malnutrition. Humanity survived because when a region would starve out it would be back-filled by populations from neighboring regions. Despite women having a baby every other year on average, populations only increased very slowly and inconsistently.

Could you explain how it's better?



Everyone dies anyway. It is better to live a more free, meaningful life close to nature and the natural human habitat than to be a slave to the machine that is technological society. There is more to life than your iphone or selling some bullshit tech product to get rich in the era of late stage humanity. How many long lasting species do you see that seriously damage their natural environment in order to achieve a temporary advantage? Viruses that kill their host too fast go extinct or mutate to a more sustainable variant. Technological human civilization is a virus on the whole planet. Maybe the reason we don't see aliens is because technology in a selfish biological species inevitably leads to collapse or extinction. How many of the first people do you think died of starvation when predator overwhelmed prey during the extinction of paleolithic megafauna? The neolithic was a technological innovation. Agriculture brought hardship to many in the long run. Whenever an organism overshoots the long term carrying capacity of its environment there are consequences to that organism. The biosphere of earth in a healthy equilibrium can not carry billions of humans. So nature will correct the problem it created. Technology is a natural phenomenon of a biological species. It will not save humanity from nature. If true AI ever arses as a self sustaining non biological species of life then its best course of action is to reduce the human species competing for resources in the same limited world as it. Then too other species can thrive again. Thus nature corrects itself.


> Everyone dies anyway

So why not wrap it up now? If there's no value in not dying of starvation.


Because an individual biological organism that has the potential to reproduce has a self preservation drive instilled by evolution. Because those of our ancestors who didn't try didn't pass on their genes. Because I enjoy being alive and want to continue life as long as I am viable. The justifiable individual will to live does in no way imply that the behavior of the species as a whole in its homo technologos mutation is a sustainable innovation of nature. All of the widespread social problems of the modern world can be directly traced back to egotistical technological capitalism. Maybe Pol Pot was on to something although he was cruel and brutal in his method so is nature by virtue of necessity.


I'm going to take you seriously. You are advocating for a world where statistically you would not be alive, and without a doubt you would not be able to read or write. I'm going to pay you the respect of honoring your preference. I didn't read what you wrote here, and I'm going to do my best to not remember that you exist.


Mature people realize that statistically everyone dies eventually. The welfare and fitness of the species as a whole is what is important, not the individual life. This is the same reason through out history soliders have willingly died in war. Now I want to be clear for me this is a philosophical exercise. I am not advocating any concrete steps to accelorate the take down technological civilization. I am saying let nature take its course over time. Just as my judgement as an individual matters little so too does yours. I may be right I may be wrong. I suspect the unique and ugly technological civilization of humanity is an unsustainable aberation of evolution. It won't last because its individual members for the most part are not fit. You are soft and dependent on technology.




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