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The line has to be drawn somewhere. Why do we provide police protection to unemployed people? I would think that as a society grows wealthier, it could grow more humane and, like _delirium said, "there is no great loss if we remove fear of dying from the list of motivators to work".


Why do we provide police protection to unemployed people?

Since we provide police protection to unemployed people, should that also mean we provide them ponies? What are the limits of this argument you're attempting to make regarding "providing unemployed people things for free since they get police protection"?

as a society grows wealthier, it could grow more humane

You're assuming that it's humane to teach people to not be self-sufficient. I would argue that the cycle of dependency created by not incentivizing people to get up and go work for a living every day is inhumane. Often, it is done by politicians who benefit from the perpetuation of that cycle for reasons of maintaining their power base.


>Since we provide police protection to unemployed people, should that also mean we provide them ponies? What are the limits of this argument you're attempting to make regarding "providing unemployed people things for free since they get police protection"?

You never answered the question about providing police protection. Instead you changed the subject.

Any system of decision making is arbitrary at some point. "Letting the market decide" is no different, it just absolves society from culpability of life outcomes. In many ways, it's not that different from people who claim things happen because of "God's will."

And one of the benefits of democratic government is that society gets to answer these questions. You can see the very different solutions countries like Denmark and the US have come to (and Denmark has done more for unemployed people than the US has without resorting to giving them ponies).

>You're assuming that it's humane to teach people to not be self-sufficient. I would argue that the cycle of dependency created by not incentivizing people to get up and go work for a living every day is inhumane. Often, it is done by politicians who benefit from the perpetuation of that cycle for reasons of maintaining their power base.

This is a straw man argument. There is incentive for people to get up and go work for a living. Denmark has an unemployment rate is 6%, and their welfare state is far, far more generous than that of the US. I would suggest your anger at unemployment benefits is misdirected.


Sorry, tongue in cheek ... but do you say that you are self-sufficient? You are never using any public transport? Never drive on a street that wasn't built by yourself? Only eat things that you grew yourself. (No, it is not enough to counter with "I'm paying for it/I pay taxes.") First world societies are made up of people that _can't_ no longer be self sufficient.


Every reasonable person stops before "free ponies". But not all reasonable people stop before free health care.




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