> a wife and kids are the most meaningful and joyful things a man can have.
They can be. They're not always. How many deeply unhappy people are in awful marriages? By the fact that 40-50% of all marriages end in divorce, I'd say it's 50/50 at best. How many people should never have been parents?
And also, that's like, your opinion man. There are other views - perfectly valid - on what is most meaningful and joyful. How many childless unmarried women (and men) find great meaning and joy in other activities, but feel pressured to procreate by a segment of society which sees their worth solely in homemaking?
> marriage and kids are crazy things to stack up against house size
I think so too. Yet many people value themselves by how big their house is... Not too common a trait among stoners, I might add.
> i think comparing those to a house and suggesting they're unimportant, or no more important than getting stoned,
I don't think I did that by any fair reading of the comment.
> is a great example of why so many of us dislike stoners.
Stoners tend to think outside of societal norms a bit more often, seeking a broader perspective. They also tend to reflect internally on what actually makes them happy. They might end up thinking, 'wow, I don't think marriage is a big goal in life for me'. Or, 'like, who is a priest to tell me my relationship is valid?', or 'Jesus, is it actually kinda selfish to want more kids on a planet with 8 billion people maxing out it's resources?'.
I think those are valid and important questions + perspectives; and that it's kinda mindless to shit on people for exploring things for themselves.
i'm trying to interpret in a way that looks favorable but the only way i can read it is "marriage and children are harder and sometimes people fail, therefore they're less valuable." i don't think that's true. optimizing for ease and risklessness seems like a really bad approach to life.
i don't think you need marijuana to reflect on life and societal norms. in fact, a lot of teenagers spend some years doing this. we all have questioning phases where we read a lot of philosophy and argue with adults and wonder whether the way things are is the way things ought to be. most people don't need marijuana to do it, and most people who use it aren't doing so in the pursuit of greater knowledge unconstrained by the defaults we've passed down through the ages.
They can be. They're not always. How many deeply unhappy people are in awful marriages? By the fact that 40-50% of all marriages end in divorce, I'd say it's 50/50 at best. How many people should never have been parents?
And also, that's like, your opinion man. There are other views - perfectly valid - on what is most meaningful and joyful. How many childless unmarried women (and men) find great meaning and joy in other activities, but feel pressured to procreate by a segment of society which sees their worth solely in homemaking?
> marriage and kids are crazy things to stack up against house size
I think so too. Yet many people value themselves by how big their house is... Not too common a trait among stoners, I might add.
> i think comparing those to a house and suggesting they're unimportant, or no more important than getting stoned,
I don't think I did that by any fair reading of the comment.
> is a great example of why so many of us dislike stoners.
Stoners tend to think outside of societal norms a bit more often, seeking a broader perspective. They also tend to reflect internally on what actually makes them happy. They might end up thinking, 'wow, I don't think marriage is a big goal in life for me'. Or, 'like, who is a priest to tell me my relationship is valid?', or 'Jesus, is it actually kinda selfish to want more kids on a planet with 8 billion people maxing out it's resources?'.
I think those are valid and important questions + perspectives; and that it's kinda mindless to shit on people for exploring things for themselves.