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Completely agree. One can be skeptical, but the actual man is likely greater than the legend.

I own a coin designed by Pythagoras. Well, it’s from 510 BC Croton, features the tripod from Delphi, and has little snakes at the bottom. Also 10 little dots. No tetractys, but that’d be a bit much. Also, the front is the opposite of the back (Aristotle describes the Pythagorean obsession with opposites).

I mean, maybe it wasn't Pythagoras — but his father was a gold smith and it is the most beautiful coin of the era, suggesting genius. But it might have been Hippasus, who was known for having conducted the first hypothesis driven experiment of all time: casting bronze chimes in musical proportions to see if the 1:2:3:4 intervals that make stringed music consonant apply with the thickness of chimes. They do. The mathematical model generalizes.

Currently, I’m working on a textbook callout that helps students learn about fractions using musical intervals — and introduces all the DEI glory of Pythagoras (multiethnic, gender-mixed community, credited his moral doctrines to a woman, Themistoclea of Delphi, etc). I’m leaving out the fact that he was kicked out of the boys Olympics when he was 16 for being too effeminate. He won the men’s Olympics in boxing, introducing some kind of new martial arts. Then he trained the most successful Olympic athlete of all time, Milo of Croton, who won 5 consecutive Olympics. No one has done that since.

Let me know if you need sources for any of these facts, I collect them all. Pythagoras is the bessst



There was some weirdness to him too. He basically founded a religion. There were some strange ideas about the hierarchies of food, etc.


Well, technically he founded “philosophy” more than a religion.

Polytheism was really old, of course. But intellectual polytheism (which requires an esoteric treatment of gods as metaphors) was basically new and then lasted for 1000 years. Pythagoras is also credited with coining the term “philosophy” and the term “Cosmos.”

In addition to his coinage, he also started the first communist society. So many opposites. Music/math, religion/science, communism/capitalism, harmony/war (he conquered the sybarites), etc. He was vegetarian but, when he discovered his eponymous theorem, he sacrificed a “Hecatomb” at Delphi — that’s 100 cattle.

Of course, all of this is disputed. (But happy to provide sources for any of it).

He is textually associated with the druids and the Jews! Nuts.


> Well, technically he founded “philosophy” more than a religion.

If it executes a guy for revealing secrets and/or heretical discoveries, it's mroe of a religion than a philosophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippasus


> But intellectual polytheism (which requires an esoteric treatment of gods as metaphors)

This reminds me of a very funny parody of various theologies on the early Christian church:

https://youtu.be/KQLfgaUoQCw?si=8ujKk4bmCNhabbTE


If you have a list of links of stuff Pythagoras did (whether disputed or not), do let me know. I'd happily gobble them up.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoras#Attributed_discover... has a list. I think all of them are at least disputed if not outright considered untrue.


Fascinating. Provide sources please. I need to learn more about this man.


Haha, sources for which fact? I wrote a paper that deals with Pythagoras here.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240587262...


"There were some strange ideas about the hierarchies of food, etc."

A food "pyramid", if you will.

/JK


Can you share a picture of the coin, that sounds like such an amazing historical artifact, regardless of whether it's actually by Pythagoras.

(also between this and Plato's failed Olympic career I feel like there's a lot more to the ancient Greek Olympic games than I'm aware of)


>Also, the front is the opposite of the back

Unrelated, but that's generally true.


Fascinating. Any recommended books / bios?




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