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"All design and engineering" -- even for Elon that's a ridiculous statement. Not only does this come with the disclaimer "It ... may not accurately reflect the actual production models or parts sold.", it doesn't include any software source at all.


I really don't understand why he is so willing to post such obviously verifiable lies. He also said he open sourced the twitter algorithm and what we really got were a few files which did not make it possible to understand the algorithm.

And then even when he posts obvious, verifiable lies, there is a crowd of people who believe him anyway.


The answer to the first paragraph is the second paragraph


I just wonder why is he so willing to sacrifice credibility with people who understand the world just because there's a load of suckers who won't see the lie? I guess he considers having more suckers on his side more valuable at this point, as he can hire people with credibility as needed. But to me it's a weird choice.


suckers are the bigger audience and they're lot easier to manipulate


right but suckers and informed people offer different things. it is notable to me that elon is selecting for manipulating suckers here instead of appealing to informed people. not surprising to me per se, but a useful example in discussion with other people about what to believe in the press.


Basically Sun Tzu paraphrased.


He want population to grow is ultimately his need to meet the ends, more suckers, more credibility.


For the same reason cult leaders say outlandish to their followers, they only want those who are willing and able to be led astray to follow them versus those who might question or defy them.

It also allows for opportunities for the cult as a whole to get their two minutes of hate in and to punish an enemy/scapegoat/turncoat/etc, reinforcing conformity with what the leader preaches.

It's also a power thing. They have so much power over others that they can say blatant lies and followers will trip over themselves to believe and defend it.


It says "original Roadster".

This is like when MS released the source of MS-DOS 1.0 and crying "this is bullshit" because they didn't include the code for Windows server 2022.


It's like if MS released the source of MS-DOS but the only files in the release were the graphic design files for the floppy disk box art.


The rest of the files were not theirs to release. The Roadster was based on a Lotus vehicle. A license to use a design doesn't grant you permission to release that IP to the world!


I don't think anyone is complaining that Tesla is not releasing Lotus design material. I think people are complaining that obviously Tesla-designed bits aren't in the materials despite Elon saying "All design & engineering of the original @Tesla Roadster is now fully open source".

I mean, here's a Tesla article where they emphasize how different the Roadster is from the Elise: https://www.tesla.com/blog/mythbusters-part-2-tesla-roadster...

> To accommodate the battery pack, motor and transmission, Tesla designed a new rear subframe. In order to handle the increased weight in the rear, new rear wishbones were designed.

I don't see any design materials for Tesla's rear subframe or rear wishbones in the materials that Elon linked to though.

Honestly, releasing what they did is commendable. Typically automakers (including Tesla at times) fight right-to-repair type stuff. It's just irritating to read the headline and think "holy crap they open sourced a car!" and then realize it's really "oh, they released some above-average technical documents about the car".


If you legally can't release something as open source, maybe don't tweet that you're releasing it as open source. Or at least say something like "we're open sourcing the parts we can" (and actually do that).


What? If it doesn't include the code to run the car, it's like shipping MS-DOS 1.0 without any code at all. Your comparison makes no sense




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