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Sort of feel bad for the ethics teams that get let go. When it comes to ethics or money, the corpos will always choose the money over the former.


Would you rather ethics be built into the process of everyone or would you rather keep it only as a team? Just because the team is gone, it doesn't mean that ethics is thrown out of the window.


I would rather keep it as a team responsible for building it into the process of everyone. It is a strong signal of ethics being thrown out of the window.


I guess the AI dev teams wanted to budget for more AI devs, and less AI QA folks--

Oops, I mean more AI ethics folks: the people whose job is to apply brakes, the certifiers prior to production, the people with the least incentive to give urgency any cause, because--well, that may be the whole point of quality.

I'm all ears for the coaching process to improve things as the braking team versus team breakage (or breakneck), but I fear neither of us have successfully advocated a process for it.


But it does imply that the company's moral hazard structure has been altered in a way that may or may not result in more ethical outcomes.


I don't buy it. The moral structure doesn't change so easily. Perhaps the establishment of an ethics team was a response to an incident, and was motivated as a public relations move in that moment? Just as ethics had not changed when the team was on-boarded, the ethics won't change with its exit.


Judging from what happened when they fired all their qa people…


…They released Win10 about a year later. My Win10 experience was pretty good overall, from as early as I updated to it. (I wasn’t the earliest adopter, but I was using it sometime in 2016.)


From the biannual major updates to the monthly Patch Tuesdays, Windows 10 has been plagued by more or less glitches. This has been attributed to Nadella’s decision to abolish QA. This problem persists in Windows 11, which caused issues with mouse cursor movement in yesterday’s cumulative update.


One wonders whether those Kenyans who now labour for two dollars an hour to label data for OpenAI, so as to diminish its toxicity, will be the next casualties. Nadella’s previous actions suggest that he will endeavour to automate all such jobs.




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