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4,000 women die from domestic violence each year.

26 unarmed individuals die from police shootings.

Of those 26 probably 3-4 are women.

Your odds of getting shot by the police are 1000x lower than getting killed by your partner.



uh, in what country? US police have shot 10 people a day since at least the 1980s.

you may be confusing some statistics here. About 26 police die each year. about half are from violent conflicts, the rest are traffic incidents, gun cleaning accidents, etc.

I'm not sure where you're getting "26" from, but that's literally never been true in the United States. I can probably collate and link 26 videos of cops shooting people without weapons this year. and what is a "weapon"? they brandished, aimed? or just had one nearby? if i have guns in my house and the cops shoot me in my house, was i armed? what if i was asleep in bed when the cops busted in my door? does this change your calculus at all?


Huge majority of people shot by police is armed. Only very small fraction is unarmed. This is well known to anyone familiar with statistics on police use of force. FBI publishes this data. You act very confidently, but you are clearly not familiar with the data, and in fact seem to be more interested in second guessing it, because it doesn’t fit your preconceptions.


The problem is that the number of unarmed people shot by police should be zero. There are bizarre, exceptional circumstances, but they should be numbered in the handfuls, not in "small fractions".

Once it gets beyond a rounding error, you get a vicious cycle. An armed criminal now has to make a judgment call: if they disarm, will they be shot anyway? An unarmed civilian has to watch every cop to wonder if this is the one with a bad attitude and a gun. And now the police are worried, too: every single person has to be treated as if they are armed, and has to be prepared to shoot them on very short notice if they are.

Exacerbating matters is that there is a large contingent of people who will excuse every single unarmed shooting. There is no circumstance so egregious that won't bring out a lot of people finding excuses for it, no matter how absurd. So people believe that each unjustified shooting is prelude to even more, because you never get a unanimous "This was a bad thing and we need that to not happen again". Instead, we hear loudly "This was an OK thing and could happen to you."

So people are reacting rationally to a "very small fraction" of shootings, because the consequences are so bad. It doesn't matter that the overall number is small: it's enormous when it's you, and that enormity overshadows many people who want nothing more than to have it not be them.


That's why one of the strategies presented is to offer a place to stay. This let's the person being abused a way out.

Like, if your image of domestic violence is two people on their front porch throwing chairs, maybe it's too late to do that. But there are probably less volatile moments where you can act if they are your friends or neighbor.


Dying from abuse is horrible of course, but most abused people suffer it and its trauma, live some time longer with its effects, and experience being broken in ways they come to understand by being broken in ways they could cope with until they cannot anymore. Before we even talk about the risk of cops, in domestic abuse scenarios, it’s impossible to talk about any of this meaningfully if we’re using death as the criteria.

Once that’s established though… cops are disproportionately domestic abusers. People who live with cops are disproportionately abused. People who encounter cops are confronted with people who are disproportionately abusive in the privacy of their own home with the benefit of doubt of most of society and almost all legal mechanisms.

Your odds of being abused by cops are much greater than by any other person you meet outside your own community, and those odds increase as your odds of being abused by anyone else do too. And as those odds increase, so too do your odds that an otherwise gentle cop won’t do a thing about anyone else who abuses you. Those odds are correlated to the cop relating more to the abuser than their victim.

I’m more likely to die of heart failure but that doesn’t mean I trust the guy who probably beats his wife and probably won’t shoot me. And as I mentioned in another comment, that distrust goes so far as I will not under any condition allow a cop in my pup’s presence if I have a choice. See, they do actually shoot dogs, a lot.


the kicker on the police abuse stats is that the study that everyone links was self-reported. 40% of active duty cops who were asked if they ever abused their partners said "yep".

I've embellished or lied to survey takers a couple times, mostly to protect my anonymity or because i forgot something. I assume they try to correct for "self-reporting" in statistics.

but 40% of active law enforcement had no problem saying "yep i beat my partner".


I have bad news as someone who grew up with a lot of domestic abuse: lots of abusers think they’re in the right and don’t have any sense of shame. They probably feel well protected by all these people making absolutely every possible excuse for them imaginable.


I mean fuck I just did it without meaning to. I literally just confronted my own dad for being abusive 6 months ago and he still speaks to me as if I get where his anger and overreaction comes from, even though I never have and my only remaining emotional bond with him is that I remember him being kind and tender and sincere when no one else was.


how many people are actually killed by the police while being defenseless is massively under reported.


Source?


you want a source of police accountability? lol, most police agencies don't even report killings of armed suspects unless it makes the news.

I can start a video stream on one of my servers that will just be several hundred videos of police killing unarmed people, if you'd like. would that count as a source?


Yes if someone documented over an order of magnitude more unarmed police shootings than the fbi statistics that would count as a source.


Cops are 3x to 4x more likely to be a domestic abuser than a the civilian population.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/b9fkny/is...


this is just because they are 3x to 4x more likely to be men.




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