I wonder if this covers Baofeng radios. (I'm not sure who their parent company is so hard to tie them to the Covered List)
Trade barriers cloaked in National Security cloth are nothing new, they were common in the old Soviet Union (a lot of US made computers were forbidden from entering, and of course the US refused to sell more advanced computers based on National Security concerns), they have been active on and off with China as well.
But the interesting thing for me is the reversal, which is as good an endorsement that Chinese industry is legitimately reached parity on a development scale with US goods as any press release the PRC would push out to the news wires. What it says is that China can deliver compelling solutions in the communications and surveillance space with entirely organic (and thus not controllable) supply chains resulting in products that US customers want to buy and US security interests can't insure aren't compromising their buyers. Having the shoe on the other foot has got to feel a bit weird right?
Banning China from having EUV today will just force them to double down. They’ll eventually get it and then surpass it. It should be obvious at this point that China will dominate the hardware space in the next 10-20 years.
Maybe. AFAIU, they've been pretty incapable of getting anywhere near high-end fabs working, and have relied a lot on western consultants to actually get what they do have up and running.
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they are going to dominate cutting edge computer hardware at all.
The US banning higher end devices also possibly means they are harder for the US to surveil. This may make them more valuable to people that are not Chinese and wont ever spend time in China.
Wow, you'll have to provide some evidence of that in the past. I mean, sure, the US likes to surveil as much as the next state, but the US generally favors security over surveillance. Such a position would be wildly inconsistent. I just don't see that happening. Ever.
Keep in mind, a fair amount of overlap between US military and the US intelligence community. These are the people that build things like Cheyenne Mountain and Raven Rock and ARPAnet and fund lots and lots of computer security research. They are paranoid patriots. Some might be patriotic paranoids, but the general trend is "both". They don't want leaky machines inside their borders.
Trade barriers cloaked in National Security cloth are nothing new, they were common in the old Soviet Union (a lot of US made computers were forbidden from entering, and of course the US refused to sell more advanced computers based on National Security concerns), they have been active on and off with China as well.
But the interesting thing for me is the reversal, which is as good an endorsement that Chinese industry is legitimately reached parity on a development scale with US goods as any press release the PRC would push out to the news wires. What it says is that China can deliver compelling solutions in the communications and surveillance space with entirely organic (and thus not controllable) supply chains resulting in products that US customers want to buy and US security interests can't insure aren't compromising their buyers. Having the shoe on the other foot has got to feel a bit weird right?