Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Election fraud is exactly what Donald Trump and his conspirators are about to be dragged over the coals for by the Jan 6 committee. He begged the GA SecState to cook the election in his favor. Basically the exact thing Myers was caught and convicted of in this story.

Trump made the accusation multiple times going back even to 2016 that millions of illegal votes were cast against him. The details of his allegation were never made clear. He convened a Congressional committee with full subpoena power to investigate and after a little over a year they disbanded having issued no findings nor held a single public hearing. There is certainly _some_ voter fraud that happens all the time, but it's not widespread, not coordinated and has never been plausibly suspected of tilting any election.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-us-new...



You don't need to prove voter fraud. If you show that ballots were counted that should not have, you should prevail.

For example if under law there needs to be a signature match on the envelope, but such matches were not done, or done to such a low standard that they are useless. Then technically you should be able to have those ballots thrown out. Since a signature on the envelope is a big part of verifying whether the ballot was filled out by the person it belonged to.

This was the contention that Trump was arguing about. Whether the election rules were followed. In the end, they pretty much counted everything. And no judge wanted to overturn that. So that pretty much summarized last US election. There was a result. They recounted the ballots. And no judge wanted to step in to question it. Procedure was followed.

From an outsiders perspective, or even from the perspective of someone that uses some critical thinking. The procedure is flawed. There are multiple opportunities to cheat, by either cheating at the source, stuffing envelopes and faking signatures. Or cheating along the path. By swapping out the ballots after the leave the envelopes and before they get to the machines doing the counting.

It seems to me that both were possible. The extra long time it took to count ballots in select cities, made it more likely.


It "seems"? There are observers and safeguards at every step. There were also 65 separate lawsuits filed around the country related to the 2020 presidential election where a judge was presented with the best evidence available that mistakes had happened (there were zero cases actually alleging fraud) and every case was tossed for failing to meet basic standards.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/joe-biden/...

There were also multiple statewide audits conducted by outside parties that found no wrongdoing and an insignificant margin of error in counting.

Conversely, this case in PA which was small scale and local was caught, tried, prosecuted and convicted. So, no. Judges are doing their jobs.


I just don't think voting by mail can be done securely the way they did it.

Sorry still have doubts about the integrity of your election.

Somehow Biden out performed Obama with Black Americans in Detroit, who apparently came out and voted in record numbers for him. Yeah, I just don't believe it.

81 million votes. The most popular president ever. Yet the same guy couldn't get 10k views on some of his youtube videos. Yet had problems winning his own party. Somehow won the fewest counties ever, yet had the most votes ever. Delayed counting, strange ballot drop offs in the middle of the night, reversals in counts by the morning. I just don't believe it. I'm not an American. This is just my opinion. Election looked Soviet tiered.

You know, judges existed in Communist countries too. Good luck getting anywhere with any of them by claiming the elections were fake. They obviously were. The judicial system is a rubber stamp for the system, 99% of the time. The fact that none of those appeals went anywhere should be more of a tip off than anything.


I mean you're wrong. We've been doing mail in ballots for decades. It's what the entire military uses. It's been under a microscope for the last 20 years of republican election conspiracy mongering and no one has found a flaw. Like I posted earlier, a Congressional committee spent a year looking for wrong votes (fraud or errors) and found absolutely nothing.

And you're also underestimating how many people feel utter existential dread at the prospect of another Trump term. He was if not the worst president in our history, he was assuredly the worst person to be president. We were only spared a worse outcome because he is so incredibly inept and stupid. I would vote for the slumped husk of Jimmy Carter if he ran against Trump.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: