You have a good point regarding pollution and repair policy, however you claim they have produced a bunch of crap over the years. Are you saying some of their products haven't been up to snuff? Or everything they produce is crap?

Also, the comment about people refusing to think is a bit obtuse, don't you think? Assuming that people who buy Apple products don't think is a ridiculous claim. At least recognize that those people might have a different calculus for their purchasing choices.

It's nuts how much toxicity there is around Apple.

> Are you saying some of their products haven't been up to snuff? Or everything they produce is crap?

Some. They also make good stuff. But look at Louis Rossman's Youtube channel, he rants about the common defects in the bad Apple products better than I could.

> Also, the comment about people refusing to think is a bit obtuse, don't you think? Assuming that people who buy Apple products don't think is a ridiculous claim

It was the nice variant of what I was trying to say ;) The mechanisms of Apple fanboyism work like a religion or a cult, and that's not a novel thought by me. In that context it's not absurd, it really is what happens: People buy these products often enough without an ounce of thought, it's religious conviction and our primate brain wanting to signal status. Not always of course, but often enough. And that does produce the negative reaction in others -> parent was asking.

This cuts both way though. You can see it in this thread and any other thread with Apple in the title - people bashing the product without ever even trying it out. They do so without an ounce of thought. It's religious conviction and our primate brain wanting to signal status.

I see a lot of well founded criticism of the price point and the praise that it gets before it gets reviews, backlash against the "I will buy that" comments. Wouldn't equate that.

And it looks like you are implying comments like mine are made without thought, which would be neither nice nor correct.

> The mechanisms of Apple fanboyism work like a religion or a cult

OK buddy. Lemme go find you a soap box. BRB.

Most people don’t give a shit about understanding how things work. They want something that they can afford that doesn’t suck and looks good.

I assume this was meant to reply to a different comment?

Just in case: I did not say that people care about how things work. You get in every category Apple sells products in other products that are more affordable, do not suck and look good. Besides, many people buy Apple products that they can not afford, that's part of the problem.

People using 9-year-old laptops happily probably aren't agreeing with "Apple produced a bunch off crap over the years." There are plenty of things to dislike about Apple, but their products tend to outlast competitors, having very long lifespans. That helps to mitigate their non-repairability, though it doesn't eliminate it.

> There are plenty of things to dislike about Apple, but their products tend to outlast competitors

That's a myth.

Really makes you wonder how these delusional claims are being peddled all over this thread - especially when you can easily find fully functional 10 to 15 year old Lenovos and Dells across the enterprise world. They purchased some obscure chinese brands from Amazon one time and concluded this is what life outside of Apple is like.

It really is astonishing, isn't it? Here you have a company with scandal after scandal regarding their bad long term durability - batteries being neutered, keyboards with keys that break, laptop displays that disconnect, unibodies that aren't unibodies, laptop coolers that don't cool -, embarassingly bad repairability and expandability across their product range, and that has one of the worst warranty programs of all of them. And for one inexplicable reason (stockholm syndrom? No experience with other products? Status thinking as the sole decider on what is good?) people still claim that stuff. That's also where the cult classification is coming from.

High resale value is still high resale value.

I mentioned 2011, which is well before the nasty keyboards.

You guys are spending a lot of effort to respond to things I didn't say, including anything at all about competitors. Sony Vaio laptops probably hold their value longest, AFAIK, but that doesn't mean Apple laptop haven't traditionally held value quite well.

Funny that you mentioned VAIO, because that was the last in a succession of crappy machines that bit the dust within a year before I finally bought a Macbook Air 9 years ago. It's still going. As is the 2009 Mac Mini I got from eBay in which I just upgraded the RAM and hard drive (to an SSD).

It's a similar story for me with smartphones. My first was a Droid X2. After about 9 months I switched to an iPhone 4 and used it for the next 5 years. Then upgraded to a 6s which I only retired for an 11 Pro last year because work bought it for me. They all work fine today.

I babied every Dell/Sony machine and that Droid just like every Apple product I've purchased since; this is just the proof I've found in the pudding after eating both kinds.

You did not talk about resale value at all.

You're right, my bad!

Apple products have high resale value, at least before the recent keyboard crap, because many people find them to be very useful for a very long time.

That's what I should have said.

Yet somehow these products that are ‘as hard to repair as possible’, outlast all their competitors by years, are highly recyclable, and receive Greenpeace’s top rating.

I very much doubt you can find anything to substantiate your claim that Apple is one of the biggest polluters on earth.