The long unsubstantiated rant about Strava seemed unnecessary. It drowned the interesting part about how one can do cool visualizations tailored to one's own needs.
There are soo many ways to look st data. I use Garmin Connect, Training Peaks, Strava, Elevate. They all have something the other misses. Making a something myself tailored for me would be cool.
Edit: the reason I'm downplaying the attack on Strava, is that it doesn't really know that much. It knows the explicit activities synced, and whatever it can derive from that (where I live and work for instance). But Garmin, Polar, Fitbit etc knows sooo much more. My pulse and movements during the whole day which can be used to corroborate lots of stuff, when I sleep etc.
As I've explained elsewhere here, uploading health data to Strava is the core feature it's used for. Asking for that is not a dark pattern, as it's pretty useless without..
The take that asking a question and verifying the decision twice isn't a "dark pattern" it's knowing that people often don't fully read. A true dark pattern is hiding the "confirm" button or swapping primary/secondary.
Also the part about "make fat returns by monetizing my private data, including my health information" is 100% unfounded. Strava monetizes VERY well off of adding additional features for subscribers like many services these days. I've been using Strava for a month free, and they do a really great balance of teasing the features you're missing out on without being too pushy.
The strava rant was a clear example of both surveilance capitalism and dark patterns in action. That was very clear demonstration why you should not trust public clouds.
I also don't see how any of it is "unsubstantiated".
> the reason I'm downplaying the attack on Strava, is that it doesn't really know that much
Oh so they only steal a little bit of the cash I have with me, not the whole thing. That's great!
Please don't twist words like that, it makes for a dumb debate.
Anyways, what one uploads to Strava is what one wants to share and have analyzed. If you don't give them permission to hold your health data, then it's no point in using the service. It's not really a dark pattern. It's not like it collects stuff about you in the background, one explicitly has to sync activities there. So you are wrong, they're not stealing a shit.
No, it's not stealing, that's true. However, if data is collected without consent or if you are manipulated into giving consent, you can make an analogy to stealing: A service that only tracks me a little doesn't exactly instill confidence.
(Whether or not manipulation was going on can be argued. I made my point in the other subthread)
I agree though that other services collect more stuff and that services like this can be very useful if you're still in control. (As far as the usefulness vs risk of cloud services goes - that is after all the whole topic of this thread. Also, even the most well-meaning business can be hacked.)
There are soo many ways to look st data. I use Garmin Connect, Training Peaks, Strava, Elevate. They all have something the other misses. Making a something myself tailored for me would be cool.
Edit: the reason I'm downplaying the attack on Strava, is that it doesn't really know that much. It knows the explicit activities synced, and whatever it can derive from that (where I live and work for instance). But Garmin, Polar, Fitbit etc knows sooo much more. My pulse and movements during the whole day which can be used to corroborate lots of stuff, when I sleep etc.