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I don’t mind real time chat honestly, but I wish it were done right, at least on par with email:

No erasing edit history

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Self hostable

The iPhone means the last two won’t happen and people who set their clients to auto load remote images means the first one won’t.



Zulip hits all of these if the "view edit history" feature fulfills #1 for you.

There's also an iOS app.

https://github.com/zulip


Wow ok, that's pretty great.


What does the iPhone have to do with it?


As an OpenSource developer, I am fine with paying the one time $25 fee for Android, but not the $1500 computer and $100/year to make my app available on the app store


You can develop for iOS without actually owning Apple hardware.

I develop an app and use MacinCloud[1] to build the iOS version. Costs $1/hour on demand. The hardest part was getting a two-factor enabled apple id. I actually had to borrow a physical iPhone just to activate the two-factor authentication. Once it is activated, you can get away without an iPhone again.

Just saying that it is possible without the $1500 hardware. It still sucks that Apple makes one jump through all these hoops...

[1] https://www.macincloud.com/


1) that’s ridiculous.

2) you still have to pay $100 a year to do push notifications and the effect is almost no one maintains the push severs for open source apps because the people running the actual servers aren’t allowed to.




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