Determinism isn't a limited view of physics. There are people who understand determinism and then there are people who prefer faith than understanding determinism.
The closer we look into quantum phenomena the less deterministic it looks, so there seems to be plenty of room in between faith and determinism for will, and many other possibilities to boot.
That’s a common misconception of not understanding quantum physics and determinism. Do you want me to explain how quantum physics doesn’t change anything about you not having free will.
Absolutely not. We don't even understand larger scale phenomenon such as turbulent flow in fluids, so there's no way we could understand the interaction between turbulent flow and quantum phenomenon in our brain. Given that gap, the insistence that physics provides the determinism that means all our outcomes are predetermined is just your desire to believe you know something.
I assume you should read about determinism but you likely won't because you don't understand the underlining problem "how you're unable to have a will that's truly our own" and your writing appears to me that you're stubborn; and or unwilling to ever discover you don't have control that's truly your own by actually understanding determinism.
Even if a thought (an external force) occurred that truly wasn't deterministic. You still would be shaped by it and from all the preceding forces exerted upon you playing a part as well.
Furthermore, (non related) Quantum physics may just be local hidden variables and or another deterministic universe intertwined with our deterministic universe and making the results we're unable to measure appear random. Many people fear determinism and so they put so much faith into quantum physics without understanding how it doesn't change your outcome to be truly your own.
We very well may be in a universe that's different than another and that has you & I never conversing because a deterministic system (outside our universe) is making "random occurrences" (that aren't really random) just not measurable in our lifetimes; thus making one universe verge off from another in the deterministic outcomes. That doesn't give us a will that's our own.
Similar if we prayed to God for an event in our life to occur or not to happen. All the forces exerted upon us, up until us praying is what made the event occur and not even a God could have a will that's his/her own because any being is shaped by the events experienced. Simply, you cannot make a decision that wasn't effected by all the events (forces exerted upon you) that occurred against you in life. You're the product of what encompasses you and all the forces chain-back to the very beginning of life.
Sure, I don't believe in complete control either. But what benefit would it bring to believe that I have absolutely no control over my life? That would in fact be self-defeating, especially if it turns out that we do have some marginal amount of control. What a waste that would be! And if I believe that I have control (which itself isn't something I can control in your model) when in fact I don't, then why would that change anything about my life? What positive effect would this revelation of lack of control have? The only outcome of your belief system is to deny control when it does exist. I'll keep my belief system, thanks. If your philosophy works for you, keep on being an automaton dude. L8tr.
>But what benefit would it bring to believe that I have absolutely no control over my life?
You're ignorant of understanding reality and similar to the majority of people because of religion. The society we live in has been shaped around assuming we have control by the roots of religion being ingrained for centuries. The great travesty I observe is ignorance born from assuming free will and it needs to be erased for humanity to not be evil. Currently many humans are in prison for being born into the life with a horrible outcome and without any control of not being influenced to be penalized unjustly by fate. The injustice is equivalent to the holocaust. Society is imperfect with how people develop by genetics & the environment being different. The scapegoat has been blaming victims and assuming they have free will.
>And if I believe that I have control (which itself isn't something I can control in your model) when in fact I don't, then why would that change anything about my life?
No matter at the end of the day, fate will decide how you end up being is true. Fate for me has made me converse how reality is with as many people and because I think it's the right thing to do; while understanding the preceding. I would be immoral if I didn't discuss it once in awhile and while knowing how against people are when it comes to understanding free will is an illusion because they've been conditioned their whole life to think the contrary.
>What positive effect would this revelation of lack of control have?
Understanding the collective unconscious is really the key. The evolution of humans (behaviour & interaction) is built by the foundation of what people share in their mind. I'm a firm believer that faith (the belief in something with no evidence) is evil because of what I've experienced in life by people that were very controlling; against lgbtq people. Thus, I find free will evil and the reason for what has occurred upon society because of it. Understanding why knowing free will is an illusion takes awhile to truly understand the benefit. Furthermore, I likely would have murdered the people who abused me if I didn't come to realize they had no control to how they became to be as persons. I'm grateful that fate was at least kind enough to me to not become a murderer. I'm disfigured forever as a visible transgender woman because of these people that had no control in reality. Luckily fate is going to allow me an exit soon.
