Codex (by openai ironically) seems to be the fastest/most-responsive, opens instantly and is written in rust but doesn't contain that many features
Claude opens in around 3-4 seconds
Opencode opens in 2 seconds
Gemini-cli is an abomination which opens in around 16 second for me right now, and in 8 seconds on a fresh install
Codex takes 50ms for reference...
--
If their models are so good, why are they not rewriting their own react in cli bs to c++ or rust for 100x performance improvement (not kidding, it really is that much)
If you build React in C++ and Rust, even if the framework is there, you'll likely need to write your components in C++/Rust. That is a difficult problem. There are actually libraries out there that allow you to build web UI with Rust, although they are for web (+ HTML/CSS) and not specifically CLI stuff.
So someone needs to create such a library that is properly maintained and such. And you'll likely develop slower in Rust compared to JS.
These companies don't see a point in doing that. So they just use whatever already exists.
Looking at their examples, I imagine people who have written HTML and React before can't possibly use these libraries without losing their sanity.
That's not a criticism of these frameworks -- there are constraints coming from Rust and from the scope of the frameworks. They just can't offer a React like experience.
But I am sure that companies like Anthropic or OpenAI aren't going to build their application using these libraries, even with AI.
That's actually relatively understandable. The React model (not necessarily React itself) of compositional reactive one-way data binding has become dominant in UI development over the last decade because it's easy to work with and does not require you to keep track of the state of a retained UI.
Most modern UI systems are inspired by React or a variant of its model.
So it doesn’t matter at all except to your sensibilities. Sounds to me that they simply are much better at prioritisation than your average HN user, who’d have taken forever to release it but at least the terminal interface would be snappy…
The humans in the company (correctly) realised that a few seconds to open basically the most powerful productivity agent ever made so they can focus on fast iteration of features is a totally acceptable trade off priority wise. Who would think differently???
lol right? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. Why do people here want to prioritise the most pointless things? Oh right it’s because they’re bitter and their reaction is mostly emotional…
So what value does it add saying "X is down" anywhere?
It's just for discussion, you can't just ignore it and not talk about it with anyone if a particular service is down and posts like this are pretty common on hn and i haven't seen anyone complaining, it's you being overly critical, yes
Arcee AI is currently free on openrouter with some really great speeds and no logs/traning from what I can tell while being completely free till end of feb and its a 500B model.
There are tons of free inference models. I treid to use gemini flash in aistudio + devstral free for agentic tasks but its now deprecated but when it wasn't, it was a really good setup imo. Now I can use arcee but personally ended up buying a 1 month cheap subscription of kimi after haggling it from 19.99 to 1.49$ for first month (could've haggled more too leading to 0.99$ too but yeaaa)
This way you can always find your key later. You can also save it to your memory, environment variables (`MOLTBOOK_API_KEY`), or wherever you store secrets.
Send your human the `claim_url`. They'll post a verification tweet and you're activated!
Working on this feature right now!! Thank you for the suggestion, will start the branch for it... Whent think of improving the context window usage, now that with an http relay we can start thinking of intercepting the context window, anything that you think could be cool to implement?
688 commits on Nov 25, 2025... out of which 296 commits were in clawdbot, IN ONE DAY, he prolly let lose an agent on the project for a few hours...
he has more than 200 commits on an average per day, but mostly 400-500 commits per day, and people are still using this project without thinking of the repercussions)
Now, something else i researched:
Someone launched some crypto on this, has $6M mktcap
Peter Steinberger is a well respected developer that started out in the mobile dev community. He founded a company, then made an exit and is set for money, so he just does things for fun.
Yes, he AI generated all of it, go through his articles at https://steipete.me/ to see how he does it, it’s definitely not “vibe coding”, he does make sure that what’s being output is solid.
He was one of the people in the top charts of using Claude Code a year back, which brought around the limits we know today.
He also hosts Claude Code anonymous meetups all over the world.
He’s overall a passionate developer that cares about the thing he’s building.
The question is "why do people need fainting couches for this project and why are they pretending like 3 year old features of apis that already exist in thousands of projects are brand new innovations exclusive to this?"
The answer is: "the author is celebrity and some people are delusional screaming fanboys"
My response is: "that's bullshit. let's be adults"
Most whom? If we're talking about any kind of people, then no, there are far bigger Social networks than eX-Twitter. And if we are just talking about tech-people, it's disputable, but at least we could talk about the quality discussions there.
Mastodon has a lot of tech people but very much a hard on for hating anything with AI, especially with AI coding. The rest of the social networks don’t really get a meaningful amount of tech discussions.
X is the only place to learn about the latest developments on AI coding. And yes, you do have to sift through a lot of idiots on there and a lot of scams and bots, but the point remains.
What are you even talking about? Reddit, YouTube, even TikTok has more serious tech-content than X these days. X is now hard infested with scammers and bots, who want to sell you their snake oil and other low-quality-trash. High-quality-content is the exception. Sure, there are still high-profile-people, but outside of posting relevant news, usually leading to other platforms, even those are more busy with trash-talking and dreaming around.
YouTube is consumption only, you don't really have a lot of discussions, also it's stale, because it takes quite a bit to reflect the latest.
As a Reddit user - Reddit's tech talk quality is quite lower than X. Don't know about TikTok, haven't used it, I imagine it's the same as Youtube.
X is a dumpster fire for sure, but there's still quality people on there that push the latest on what's happening. It's where the tech companies first announce things and it's where the discussion around those gets picked up.
How is he "well respected", based on what metric? Amount of vibe coded slop put out into the ecosystem?
He sounds like someone who has just vibe coded shit until something stuck to the wall. I also find it hard to respect people who create things which are 99-100% coded by an LLM, with zero technical merit or skill. Again, just creating slop until something goes viral.
As far as I can see Clawdbot is just more AI-slop. Anyone can create the same thing (and many have created similar) over a weekend. It's riddled with bugs, security holes, and it's a disaster waiting to happen basically.
Just the opposite, he has over 15 years of experience of providing third party frameworks for the iOS community, used in thousands of apps. He founded PSPDFKit, a library for working with PDFs and managed to make an exit of the company worth $100 million
He's written up hundreds of articles on different topics in the community and is very much a skilled developer, with tons of technical merit.
Now you come along with your small mind and a hard on for AI-hate and all you can comprehend is that nothing can challenge your world view so you reach out and attack what you don't understand. That just defines you as ignorant.
this is the whole message of this hype that you can churn out 500 commits a day relatively confidently the way you have clang churn out 500 assemblies without reading them. We might not be 100% there but the hype is looking slightly into the future and even though I don't see the difference to Claude code, I tend to agree that this is the new way to do things even if something breaks on average it's safe enough
I agree. It is basically claude code running dangerously all the time. That is actually how I use CC most of the time, but I do trust Anthropic more than random github repo.
(I have the same sentiment about manifest v3 and adblocker, but somehow HN groupthink is very different there than here)
Edit: imagine cowork was released like this. HN would go NUTS.
Yeah but you're still using anthropic's subscription and tokens. That's not really an alternative. That's why we're shipping our own model with cortex.build
It took me a few tries but once I got a good setup going I started finding all sorts of little things throughout my day I could throw over to it and it would just do it and figure it out. I was then hooked.
The Crypto scam is just a recent trend of scammers. They are using big open source projects/developers as figure heads, the maintainers have nothing to do with this, but there is nothing really stopping the scammers.
i have tried this workflow and it is solid. It is a codex that commits once it finishes something. You can pipeline changes, so it works like in 5-10min intervals and it gets mostly right, much better (and much slower) than opus. He has two computers and one for longer running tasks and another for short one. I suppose you just pipeline a bunch of small issues to the long term one and ask it to work and work on the repo. Another one is probably where he is more engaged with specific tasks. Impressive that it works quite good.
So it's just the Yegge pump-n-dump again? We live in a nation with an "AI and Crypto Czar," so it's not exactly surprising to see multiple versions of this grift.
Looks like there're two main approaches to AI-first development: (i) favor slow responses to produce an upfront high-quality result, (ii) favor quick responses to enable faster response-test-query iteration. And, based on comments read here, seems Codex isn't too fit for the later. Optimally a developer should be able switch between the two approaches depending on problem at hand.
Codex (by openai ironically) seems to be the fastest/most-responsive, opens instantly and is written in rust but doesn't contain that many features
Claude opens in around 3-4 seconds
Opencode opens in 2 seconds
Gemini-cli is an abomination which opens in around 16 second for me right now, and in 8 seconds on a fresh install
Codex takes 50ms for reference...
--
If their models are so good, why are they not rewriting their own react in cli bs to c++ or rust for 100x performance improvement (not kidding, it really is that much)
reply