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Since when does Reddit make $193M yearly profit? It seems a lot has happened since I stopped using Reddit.


The CEO is paid $193M, this has nothing to do with any profit reddit makes.

Which, they have never made a profit, "Now, Reddit — which is not yet profitable"......"Reddit reported a net loss of $90.8 million in 2023, a narrower loss than the $158.6 million loss it netted in 2022." https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/23/tech/reddit-ipo-filing-busine...


Pretty wild that a CEO can make that sort of money while running an unprofitable business. I can't imagine thinking so much of myself that I would value myself at 100s of millions. I wonder if there's some sort of pathology behind it.


> wonder if there's some sort of pathology behind it

That of taking a company public.

I get where you’re coming from. But Reddit, given its heritage of leadership, is a weird hill to take a stand on.


> "Reddit reported a net loss of $90.8 million in 2023, a narrower loss than the $158.6 million loss it netted in 2022."

I know it's naive but cutting the CEO's (and rest of C suite) salary to normal employee levels would fix that loss down to 0.


> cutting the CEO's (and rest of C suite) salary to normal employee levels would fix that loss down to 0

Now do it with cash flow.


Salaries don't come out of profits. Profits are calculated after employee compensations obviously.


Ok, but when you look at the forecast, and see an expected loss of 90 million, maybe the CEO should say, perhaps if I was paid 90 million less then we will be in profit, and I would still have enough money to retire in excessive luxury.


Clearly there's a group of people of people who are selfish and think so highly of themselves that this sort of logic will never make sense to them. Any company or executive that says they care about the workers, customers, or cause and is making 8+ figures is lying whether they realize it or not. I realize some people will make the argument that the comp needs to be so high to attract top talent. But there's a pool of talented people who would do it for less. Plenty of non-profits or mission-driven companies have lower paided executives.


Doesn't sound like the CEOs problem; he isn't there to make personal sacrifices to make the company profitable and I don't think anyone would pretend he is. If anyone should be making that observation it is whoever signs off on his compensation.

Although the compensation package won't cash so the situation isn't quite that simple.


It's baffling how shareholders are so tolerant of a CEO looting the company for substantial fractions of its total value annually. But it's very widespread.


Aren't most shareholders there to attempt to loot the company? Capitalism is surely about aligning and exploiting greed, like a confidence trick?


It can only be viewed as a sacrifice if you believe he legitimately deserves that much money. That money could be used to increase employee comp instead of shareholder value. That's a lot of money for running an unprofitable business. I wish I was so delusional that I thought I deserved 100s of millions for running an unprofitable company.


Distinction without a difference. If the salary was lower, the profit would be higher.

No, the important distinction is "is that coming from cash or stocks". The cash component of salaries goes in the profit&loss account. See https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024...

Revenue $804m (!), expenses $944m (!). But I'm having trouble working out which of the expenses breakdown entries has the board salary in. And if it's compensation in stock, does that have to be expensed?


Sure, but there's a sort of nominal expectation that post salaries, especially salaries of that magnitude an entity has some profit. The obvious exception being they had an unprofitable year but have a gigantic pile of money sat in a bank somewhere.


So maybe the CEO compensation should be adjusted accordingly?


> maybe the CEO compensation should be adjusted accordingly?

This is outside the domain of unpaid moderators’ unless the CEO’s compensation is threatening the company’s survival. It clearly is not.


$193M compensation to lead a business to unprofitability is a problem. Period.


> $193M compensation to lead a business to unprofitability is a problem. Period.

The compensation did not lead to unprofitability—it contributed to it. And we have no evidence by which to claim it would have been worse under less-paid management. (Well, with Reddit, we might.)

I’m not defending the compensation per se. But arguing everyone at any profitable entity should be paid less until the venture is profitable, irrespective of any other facts, is silly. Particularly when it comes to non-cash compensation.


> But arguing everyone at any [un?]profitable entity should be paid less until the venture is profitable, irrespective of any other facts, is silly.

This is the argument usually made for redundancies: reducing the overall payroll.


> the argument usually made for redundancies: reducing the overall payroll

It’s for increasing profits. Redundancies are reduces at profitable and unprofitable firms alike.


It says in the article that once Avast was exposed they moved the Spyware from the toolbar to the main program and claimed everything is ok now, so in this case it's fool me thrice...


I'd go for ssh if I was trying to bypass it. At least legally I can claim that I'm just sshing to my aws server and not be jailed for using vpn.


Trying to get off the hook on a technicality isn't going to work. Lots of people use VPNs completely in the open without getting jailed, because they're not otherwise of interest, but if you are being targeted, nobody is going to care about your "sshing to aws" excuse. And ssh tunneling web traffic looks quite different from normal ssh usage anyways.


> And ssh tunneling web traffic looks quite different from normal ssh usage anyways.

Could you explain this further, this seems counter to my understanding of encrypted traffic!


I assume the timing patterns and amounts of data would likely be distinct between SSH and web. "Normal" SSH usage would mostly consist of much lighter packets, such as user keystrokes and terminal screenfuls of text. Typing tiny commands and getting a few kilobytes of output. SSH file transfers happen occasionally, sometimes with a large bulk of data.

Active web browsing requires downloading a crapton of files with wildly different sizes and sporadic timings between them. Add normal user interaction, API requests, ad cycles, long video streams that won't max out all bandwidth, all happening at once across multiple tabs. The client also sends much more data with each TLS handshake and all those HTTP headers.

This could probably be masked by deliberately filling idle periods with garbage data just to appear as a stable data stream both ways.


Forget using a real web browser over an SSH proxy. What using elinks on a remote host with ssh? I bet somebody using elinks across ssh is virtually indistinguishable from somebody using a text editor.

Not much good for images or video, but you could easily read https://text.npr.org/


SSH encryption only hides the content, not how much is being sent and when. When your browser fires off a bunch of requests to load a webpage, the timing is different from running typical commands on a server and receiving the output.


Open network tools in your browser and go to Reddit, count total traffic. Now compare it with a typical SSH session, even with 'tail -f' some logs.


> At least legally I can claim that I'm just sshing to my aws server and not be jailed for using vpn.

Your mistake is assuming that China has rule of law. If you're in China and you upset Xi enough, you get jailed/disappeared even if you technically didn't break any laws on the books.


I suspect TCP tunneling your traffic looks different than SFTP-ing some files around.


using ssh for proxying is getting blocked within the first minute.


Could be a use case for X-Windows with ssh -X [0]? (so your web browser is actually running outside the GFW, it's just the window updates that are coming over the SSH tunnel).

[0] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12755/how-to-forwar...


any ssh traffic that does not look like ssh traffic (few bytes send to server, some more bytes returned) gets either terminated or slowed down to a crawl


Does this mean that in addition of the classic fail2ban, geoip firewall, or forever super slow login banners, we could also have a honey pot sending a lot of data with a traffic pattern similar than web browsing ?


But what does it mean exactly to be open? Are you allowed to monetize via ads on the work of others or no?


That makes it sound like ad companies are invading the websites of news companies who are resisting.

These news organizations want to have their cake and eat it too. They rely on these platforms for traffic. Now they also want to be paid for getting that traffic. That's not how this works.


Then why do Chess AI perform much better than LLMs trying to play chess.


Provided that the problem is suited to the strengths of an LLM at all. An example might be a small ai custom trained on documentation for libraries. You ask it a question like "how do I make the background move with parallax effect when you move the cursor". It's a little ambiguous, high-level concept, and probably not a single function.

Small ai: likely makes up a function or suggests a single function which isn't sufficient. Refuses to budge from its answer or apologies and gets confused

Large LLM: able to actually understand the question, combine several functions. If it doesn't work you can tell it why and it fixes it


Because there’s a world of difference between a reinforcement learning trained special purpose model and asking a general purpose large language model to have a go at something.


Because they have an explicit model of chess and specific heuristics for learning chess.

An LLM could have picked up some chess patterns through osmosis, but it can not reason explicitly in the domain.


No"they" (lc0) don't have specific heuristics


Because they do completely different things? They literally have nothing to do with each other. Why do planes fly better than ships if ChatGPT can't do math?


Why would a language model be good at playing chess?


Why no? Chess notation is text. But the problem is that LLMs are not that good for problems which require evaluation of a search tree. Also leading chess engines such as lc0 are without search better than 90+x% of All humans


People should differentiate between introvert, knowledgeable, and intelligent. I most likely qualify for the first two but I wouldn't even begin to guess on how to know whether I'm in the third league.


Yes, and with a bad prompt also. It misses the point as if it's not possible to run Libre Office on RedHat anymore.


Thanks for being honest.


You're welcome but it makes me think that you think I'm the one who wrote it


Even better, don't use computers


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