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What ever happened to advertising as a form of revenue?

In print publishing, all newspaper/magazine articles are typically space filler to direct your attention path to the accompanying ads.

With a decent sales staff and correct ad pricing there should be no reason to charge users to read an article online. Sure, printing costs are high, but repurposing content for online publication is cheaper by an order of magnitudes.

I've been in (newspaper/magazine) publishing over 30 years. I surfed through the waves of insanity when the internet started to become ubiquitous and publishers were pulling their hair out over fears that it would be the death of them. It's nothing more than an excuse for greed. It could have been handled properly by establishing ad revenue pricing structures early on, but it was easier for them to cry, complain and voluntarily remain ignorant of new tech while the owners of the publications bemoaned that their paper publication is not making enough money to stay afloat and keep their trophy wives in sport cars and designer jewelry at the same time.

I have no pity on these ignorant fools. If the New York Times goes bankrupt/offline it won't affect my life one bit. Other, more fiscally responsible individuals/organizations/bloggers will fill the niche and do it right.


First, are you actually saying charging people for something they consume directly instead of charging them indirectly through advertising[1] is greed? Does that mean my corner grocer is greedy for asking me to pay for my milk rather than slapping ads all over the carton?

Second, I'm amazed that you decry greed and in the same breadth promote advertising. I don't know whether to cry or laugh. Advertising is predominantly (some would say almost entirely) manipulative and dishonest.

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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7485773


But what if your steak knife product was called "Fatal Revenge Stabber for Ex-Girlfriends and Steak"?


That's a valid point. I'd probably take some heat for that.


Oh, it's Mr. Ultra-Hype again.


Sounds like this theory could lead to creating one heck of a weapon, Dr. Venture.


Bad biscuits make the baker broke, bro.


This whole alt-coin thing is just a passing fad. I recently cashed out all my BitCoins and put the money into Beanie Baby Collectables. They're these cool stuffed toys that everybody is collecting these days. I was able to get a bunch of them at a very reasonable price range. Their value is bound to skyrocket in the future as more and more people get into it.


You should also look into the US Dollar- I hear people are going crazy over that one too... and since it's lost 98% of its value in the last 100 years it is bound to rebound any day now.


I don't understand why losing 98% of value over a 100-year period is supposed to be a pejorative. That implies a very steady, <2% rate of inflation per year, which is what allows wages to keep up with inflation.


Wait, inflation allows wages to keep up with inflation? Care to rephrase that one?


I define freedom as choice.

You can choose what you want to do rather than being bound to someone else's agenda.


I'm a really nice person especially around xmas time, but nobody hardly notices.

I donate much more than 0.01% of my earnings to charities and nobody calls me a hero.

Who the heck does this Bill Gates guy think he is?


You do realize that Gates (like Warren Buffet) is giving most of his wealth away to charities, right?


That's not very hard to do when you're worth billions of dollars, because even if you give away 99% of your wealth to charity, you'd still be worth tens of millions of dollars at the end of the day.

Regular folks can't afford to do that without putting their financial stability at risk.

Nevertheless, I do respect Bill for his actions, and I believe all modern tycoons should feel responsible for making the world a better place through charity.


Bill Gates earned his wealth in his own lifetime. He's self made and still wishes to give away most of his wealth. I don't understand how you can criticize someone like that. At the end of the day, he is parting from his hard earned money.


By what definition is Bill Gates "self made?" He had a million-dollar trust fund going into life, which let him take risks and exploit opportunities that others could not have.

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I think you do justice no favors by disregarding the microsoft employees (and acquisitions) that did the overwhelming majority of work to earn that wealth, not Bill Gates. Sometimes in violation of law, and sometimes via questionably legal business practices that forced many people who don't use their products to pay for them. But I guess in capitalism, owner-takes-all and might-makes-right, huh?


Going from a simple millionaire to creating a company like Microsoft takes a lot of hard work to pull off.

But if you want to run with your line of reasoning then no one in the US really qualifies as self-made, from the point of view of let's say a poor person in India. We're all rich to someone who makes less than a dollar a day.


Completely reasonable. I think wealth is almost always created by communities and not individuals, so I'm skeptical of the idea of anyone being purely "self made."

I am willing to concede there is a common definition of the term that is less strict. However I've never heard a definition of the term where a millionaire by birth is "self-made."


If all Bill Gates had ever accomplished is that he inherited a million dollar trust fund - if that's all his life had amounted to, living off of that fund, growing that fund - then your argument would have merit. As it is, your argument is about as far away from meritorious as one can be. Your argument attempts to rob Gates of his accomplishment due to the conditions of his birth, it's an extremely dark argument that if applied to the human race would mean that nobody ever deserves individual credit for anything.


How did I attempt to rob Gates of his accomplishment? I'm not ascribing any value judgment to not being self-made.

I think those who think he is self-made clearly have a different definition of the term. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-made_man

"The appellation 'self-made man' or 'self-made woman' describes a person who was born poor or otherwise disadvantaged, but who achieved great economic success thanks to their own hard work and ingenuity rather than to any inherited fortune, family connections or other privilege."

Bill Gates was born with inherited fortune, family connections, and privilege. He was not born poor. That's not his fault any more than it's a poor child's fault that their parents are poor. But it is a fact.

A million bucks of wealth, with a conservative safe withdrawal rate of 3%, entitles you to $30k a year. This puts you in the 30th percentile of household income. That's not luxurious, but for zero work at all that's a much better outcome than someone who was born with nothing not working at all. A million in the bank puts you in the 96.3rd percentile of wealth in the US.

Say what you want about Bill Gates and his accomplishments, that doesn't change the fact he was born into wealth and inherently disqualified from being able to claim to be "self-made."


How much of that trust fund was invested into Microsoft, and how much of it did he receive prior to becoming a self-made billionaire?

As though a person should be disqualified of their own accomplishments because of their circumstances at birth; as though a person has a choice where and when they're born. I can think of few notions more evil than that, whether applied to the rich or the poor. By your theory, a poor person is never self-made either, after all it was their impoverished circumstances that made them successful, not their own work ethic. It was the poverty that motivated them, drove them, and lifted them up; after all, the poor person had nothing to lose and everything to gain! It is thus there are supposedly no self-made persons anywhere (welcome to collectivism, where there is no individual achievement, only borg achievement).

Did that trust fund keep him comfy during those hard Albuquerque days, struggling to get Microsoft off the ground, pay the bills, pay the employees, while living out of a roach motel working 20 hour days and living on soda and pizza? My, what a glamorous lifestyle a trust fund delivers.

I guess Paul Allen isn't self-made either, because it was Bill's trust fund that was responsible for Microsoft. Whoops, you just robbed every self-made Microsoft employee of their credit.

Did that trust fund make him work harder? It should have made him work less hard.

Did that trust fund give him ambition? It should have made him slouch around, after all, what worries could he have? Why strain yourself so much if you're already rich from birth.

Did that trust fund make him spend his youth writing software, selling software, evangelizing software? Surely sitting on a beach drinking a nice beverage is more fun than that.

Bill Gates is self-made by the only definition that matters: he earned his wealth of his own ability, effort and self-motivation.

Does everyone with a million dollar trust fund automatically acquire an 12 figure net fortune? There are over nine million millionaires in the United States today. Lucky for them they all get to be automatic, non-self-made billionaires.

The truth is, Gates didn't need that trust fund - which he never used to begin with. It didn't create Microsoft, didn't seed Microsoft, didn't do any of the work, didn't make any of the decisions, didn't negotiate any of the deals, didn't hire any of the employees, and didn't pay any of the bills, and didn't do all of that successfully for three decades without destroying it all.


Hacker News, 2013 - come for the interesting articles, stay for the insane self-righteousness of the commenters.

I'm curious if you're going to reply to the very well written comment by @adventured below.


I think what you're trying to say is, since they have no proof of terrorists using virtual worlds to communicate, they have no legal reason to be spying on those innocent people who use them legitimately.


Redefine and water down what it means to be labeled as a terrorist such that harmless mainstream people are now given that label, and by definition anything that's mainstream will of course be used by terrorists.

With a side helping of the .gov orgs who used to defend us from "THEM" are now going all 1984 on us, so who, if anyone, is still watching "THEM"? Well... no one, anymore. Which is in itself kinda scary. .gov no longer defends us from that kind of stuff anymore, so the only way to justify spying on foreign nuclear scientists (which used to be a perfectly legit .gov job...) is to mislabel them as terrorists.

If you convert all your police to secret police to spy on political dissidents, who's left to pull over drunk drivers? Well, unfortunately, no one.


Pretty sure you can do that in Photoshop and/or specialty apps. See "Cinemagraphs/Cinemagrams".

For example: http://www.reddit.com/r/Cinemagraphs/


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