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Considering the array of behaviors exhibited by the president recently, it wouldn’t be entirely unlikely to nominate Alex Jones, eh?

The stated purpose for biometrics and photos with PreCheck and Global Entry is to identify you, so it’s not likely against its stated purpose to use it for identification, per-se.

Now using it to target protesters? Meh.


Consider the information can be used for more than just identifying you... if you have sufficient quality biometrics they can be used to _impersonate_ you, including "fingering" you for things you didn't do. Police forces have "planted" evidence for decades now, biometrics can be just another thing that can be planted. The problem is, you can't fight it, because it's absolutely unique to you (with some extreme exceptions).

This is one of _many_ reasons why biometrics need to be a personal civil liberty. The individual must have the right to say "no" to _any_ "requirement" for giving up biometric data, unless they are convicted as a criminal (IMO). Because once you deliver that information, you _cannot_ trust any other party _to actually do what they say will do and destroy said data_, and that's not even considering just poor storage of said data.

Once your biometrics are in a database, you're fucked *for life* because it's completely unrealistic to have it destroyed with absolute certainty. This needs to be a *global human right*, as hard as those are to come by still.


I don’t disagree. What will (and is) actually happening is every government everywhere is rushing to get these systems setup ASAP.

But it's still awful. It doesn't matter at this moment that other governments may be doing this. We don't want that for us (and I don't want it for others either).

Ok, but clearly they don’t care?

Identify you when though? Important question I guess

The US has been using ICE a lot.

Guess who is doing the identifying - CBP and ICE. Guess who runs borders and immigration, which is the use case for PreCheck and Global Entry?

Guess what the stated jurisdictional limits are for CBP? 100 miles from any possible border [https://legalclarity.org/immigration-map-of-us-jurisdictiona...].

Guess who has essentially unlimited jurisdictional limits? ICE.

So they can pretend they are ‘checking for immigration status’ using the existing photos and biometrics, while simultaneously gathering information on who is at what protest.

Then the info gets shared once gathered - with or without plausible deniability - and blam. Bobs your uncle.


> Guess what the stated jurisdictional limits are for CBP? 100 miles from any possible border

To quote a prominent US historian:

  In a constitutional regime, such as ours, the law applies everywhere and at all times. In a republic, such as ours, it applies to everyone. For that logic of law to be undone, the aspiring tyrant looks for openings, for cracks to pry open.

  One of these is the border. The country stops at the border. And so the law stops at the border. And so for the tyrant an obvious move is to extend the border so that is everywhere, to turn the whole country as a border area, where no rules apply.

  Stalin did this with border zones and deportations in the 1930s that preceded the Great Terror. Hitler did it with immigration raids in 1938 that targeted undocumented Jews and forced them across the border.
* https://snyder.substack.com/p/lies-and-lawlessness

> Guess who runs borders and immigration, which is the use case for PreCheck and Global Entry?

Not ICE?

> Guess who has essentially unlimited jurisdictional limits? ICE.

ICE thinks that. The courts are disagreeing.


First question - CBP, as noted.

Unlimited jurisdictional limits - and the courts will enforce this with whose army? As it were.

ICE isn’t allowed to act on citizens either, and yet here we are.


That last part isn't true. Citizens who impede ICE officers in the performance of their duties can be arrested by ICE. That is specifically written into the law, and it's a statute that can be interpreted pretty broadly.

> ICE isn’t allowed to act on citizens

By law or policy?


It’s not legal to deport U.S. citizens but they have anyway. A judge in Minnesota has said that ICE has violated around 100 court orders. We are living in a personalist dictatorship. The courts are ignored when their rulings are inconvenient.

This doesn’t even remotely address the question.

Not who you are responding too, but I tried to look up the legal justifications behind ICE and it’s a mess. Good luck untangling it!

I think this is the real winner here.

Power corrupts because power means you can be corrupt.


That isn’t why nepotism exists.

Nepotism is because ‘what is the point of doing all this’ - aka passing things on to family.

It also enables a degree of aligned interests between what could otherwise be hard to align parties (trust, like you mention), but that not why someone gets a big name acting slot, or gets put on the board of a friends company.


It's part of it.

Nepotism entangles organizational interests with personal interests, in both good and bad ways. It means that someone may hire a friend or family member because they know they're a) competent enough for the job, and b) they actually, personally know them, which significantly reduces a risk of the hire turning out bad, relative to a stranger with equal or better credentials. But it also means that someone may hire a friend or family member because they're trading favors, which is bad for the organization[0].

I suppose in practice the latter might be more common - I'd guess it could be the whole idea has structural dynamics similar to "the market for lemons". I haven't spent much time thinking about it and researching the problem in depth, so I can't say.

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[0] - And may or may not be bad for the local community. I suppose the larger problem for organizations is simply that they're designed to be focused, and need to maintain alignment of incentives across the org chart. Nepotism is a threat because it attaches new edges to the org chart - edges that lead to much more complex and fuzzy graphs of family and community relationships, breaking the narrow focus that makes organizations work.


Justice delayed is justice denied.

Two people for six years in that industry they probably lost a lot more than $600k.

I doubt they were out of work for that whole time.

Particularly not with the free advertising they got from this.

They were held for a total of 20 hours.

Not relevant to the reputational damage which is particularly punishing in their line of work.

I wonder how much stigma contractors carry for being successful at filing lawsuits, no matter how legitimate the claim.

What reputational damage?

Which knowing the side effects of Ambien is pretty bonkers.

I know zero people that have ever taken Ambien.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db462.htm

Seems like daily users would be less than 10%.


Yes, it is quite a statistical outlier for an entire family to be using it daily.

something weird is going on there, for sure.


The same systems had labor board whistleblower info.

Why would musk love to identify (or at a minimum, but a huge chilling effect on) labor board whistleblowers? The world may never know.


An extremely common problem in the wider world too.

Just like many people are optimists in thinking criminals will get consequences, criminals are often optimists in thinking they won’t get consequences.

Both have cherry-picked their life experiences to support this view.


Eventually, people will grow tired of it and the pendulum will swing the other way.

It’s why the first move of the administration was to replace senior FBI and military leaders with cronies. To hold the pendulum back.

They absolutely know there will eventually be consequences (by default), which is why they work so hard to throw other people under the bus and make a giant confusing mess of things. To try to avoid them.


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