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why do you stop at 6 million, sir holocaust inverter? why not say israel killed 6 billion?

Israel is the jewish state, so all your “antizionist” rhetoric is nonsense. The jews perceive “antizionist” as antijewish.

Its good u have no say in whatever important.

Hamas and Iran are to blame for that. And now there is a chance to avoid these deaths in the future.

What an amazing false and lazy comment. Are you guys presently underfunded?

unlike you, guys, on islamic republic payroll

So hard to believe all the skiers and snowboarders were putting PFAS as wax just until couple years ago. Also in Germany, you can buy "permanent baking paper" that is pure PTFE without a problem, which is insane to me.

Teflon pans are still legal in every country in the world and used in every restaurant and food preparation industry.

It's basically impossible to avoid this stuff unless you cook all of your meals from scratch and never eat out anywhere


> It's basically impossible to avoid this stuff unless you cook all of your meals from scratch and never eat out anywhere

Which is pretty much what you should do if you are concerned about your health at all.


You can absolutely care about your health and still enjoy some unhealthy things every once in a while, be it dinning out, a grill party, a glass of wine or a motorcycle ride.

Thinking that you must optimize every single bit of your health 100% of the time or you do not care about your health at all is just pathological black and white thinking. What a miserable way to spend the mere decades you have on this planet.


>You can absolutely care about your health and still enjoy some unhealthy things every once in a while, be it dinning out, a grill party, a glass of wine or a motorcycle ride.

Isn't this the message we get from the food companies marketing departments every day. Sure you can eat that thousand calorie desert once in a while as part of a healthy diet. Then before you know it we are in an obesity epidemic and what is genuinely healthy looks extreme to the majority.


There is food advertisements everywhere in Japan and yet no one is fat.

Maybe the real reason Americans are fat is instead of taking responsibility of their own health they prefer to blame it on le marketing departments instead. Shrug.


Yeah I definitely agree with this.

Also at the end of the day it is ultimately largely down to fate/probability/deity of your choice.

You have control over some parameters, but you're just tweaking inputs to a huge RNG that is spinning 24/7 365 days a year and there's always a chance your numbers will come up


PFOA was used previously, but now it's changed to PTFE, this is supposedly less harmful, but its considered perfectly fine (afaik) as long as the temperatures dont exceed 260°C.. Which at that stage you're probably using the wrong tool.. Maybe some Iron cast skillet or something ?

PFOA is a surfactant that was previously used for emulsion polymerization of PTFE. It's not found in the finished product. It's since been replaced with other less well studied PFAS surfactants that might be less dangerous or might not, which seems to me an example of bad regulation. It would make more sense to regulate disposal of PFOA, which can be done safely with processes such as supercritical water oxidation.

PTFE itself is about as inert as you can get, assuming it's not overheated. If you use PTFE cookwear, I recommend getting an IR thermometer so you can learn how your cooking setup responds and control the temperature properly.


My understanding is that Teflon is perfectly safe. The concern comes from by-products of Teflon manufacturing which leech into water. The Teflon molocules are really long, they can't get stuck anywhere and your body just removes them through your urine.

You don’t have to completely avoid it, reducing exposure is helpful. It’s not hard to get rid of it in your own home where you probably spend most of your time and eat most of your meals.

And it's amazing. I'd rather eat some inert and safe teflon flakes than carcinogens in the charred or burned food.

Whenever you see a Youtube video from a restaurant kitchen you can almost be sure to see some pans where the teflon has been scrubbed down to the pure metal. Probably not that healthy...

PTFE is extremely chemically inert. There's possibly some risk from ultra-fine particulates that could be absorbed by the body, but compared to all the other sources of particulate exposure I don't think it's a major problem. I'm more concerned by thermal decomposition, which forms all kinds of mystery chemicals of unknown risk profile. Restaurants love to sear food and I wouldn't be surprised if some of them do it on PTFE cookwear.

its highly unlikely any restaurant uses teflon coated pans. Most use carbon steel or stainless. Teflon just won't hold up in daily use at a restaurant.

cost is also gonna be a factor. you can get bulk stainless pans in bulk at reasonable prices and they'll last forever

restaurants also love high-heat and that's a no-no for teflon


Teflon is so useful when cooking that I'm going to use it until the moment it gets banned regardless of health impacts.

Cooking with it at normal fry pan temperatures (350-400f) is safe, this has been repeatedly confirmed in experiments, some not even funded by DuPont. Don’t do crazy things like really high temp searing and don’t use metal utensils that cause the coating to flake off. Also if you’re really concerned ceramic nonstick + oil has come a long way. And I should add the the most nonstick pan I own is actually a properly seasoned carbon steel wok, yes it’s really possible if you know what you’re doing.

I love my Matfer Bourgeat carbon steel pan. It's just really heavy and kinda ugly. But it works great, especially at high temps when searing meats.

I've heard good things about carbon steel. Particularly, nitrided carbon steel. The pans are treated to be non-stick and are safe. It's what Alton Brown, the host of Food Network's Good Eats who also just launched a new cooking show on YouTube, uses.

Alton Brown had the best cooking show that ever existed. It was maximal knowledge with minimal BS (compared to most other TV shows in this space).

True but it owes a strong debt to Harold McGee's On Food and Cooking.

If you mean just a skillet / frying pan, i found that a cast iron pan is much better (for non stick), have been using a €10 one for about three years now. You can ignore all warnings about keeping it oiled etc. They also have glass air fryers now (borosilicate glass, quite durable). You can scrub both with a steel sponge.

I use ceramic, but recently learned that nitrided carbon steel pans are the way to go. They are both useful AND safe. Do yourself a favor and invest in one.

I'll keep using teflon frying pans for eggs, but we do most cooking in stainless steel pots and pans anyway.

There is no advantage for eggs. I use a seasoned iron or steel pan and it's just as easy with better results.

I recently switched from teflon to stainless steel, and after a few false starts figuring it out I like it more now. Also for something that leaves a lot of grease like sausage and bacon, the stainless steel surprised me by being easier to clean.

What did the false starts teach you? I have some stainless steel pans and sometimes they work great and sometimes they're just mysteriously sticky, with whatever I'm cooking bonding to the pan.

If it's happening only sometimes I'm not sure how useful this will be but these were where I had issues at the beginning - I'd looked up how to use them before buying them because I figured nonstick wouldn't exist if I could use them the same, but some information was misleading or incomplete. For example when cooking:

* You should preheat until you get a leidenfrost effect - get some water on your fingers and flick it onto the skillet, it should form droplets that bounce around without boiling off.

* Once this happens, immediately turn the heat to the lowest setting so the skillet doesn't get too hot (most instructions are missing this step and I didn't really expect the skillet would get too hot - stainless steel just keeps getting hotter at a temperature the teflon nonstick would maintain heat). Depending on your stove, the lowest might be a little too low and heat is slowly lost, this is something you'll eventually get a feel for.

* After getting the leidenfrost effect (maybe? not sure how important it is to wait until after), you have to add something (butter or vegetable oil, for example) to coat the surface and not only get a nonstick effect but also sort of buffer the heat. It's kind of like cast-iron seasoning, but extremely low-effort and you do it / clean it off every usage. Some of the things I'd read before buying said the leidenfrost effect was the important part for getting a nonstick surface without mentioning this stage, which led to a pancake that was black and stuck to the skillet on one side and still liquid batter on the other.

And when cleaning:

* I'd mentioned sausage and bacon above, these leave gunk that sounds kind of like what you described except a lot more of it. For some reason getting a wet paper towel and rubbing down the skillet (instead of putting water on the skillet directly) works really well getting almost all of it off, though it will take several of them.

* If there's still residue not coming off, something I got from reddit worked even where grease-removing dish soap didn't: Lightly boil baking soda in water in the skillet for about 20 minutes. Don't let the water boil off or you'll be left with baking soda gunk stuck to the skillet, you want it to dissolve and soak in the hot water for a while before emptying it and wiping it down.

* And lastly one of the side reasons I like it over nonstick while cleaning: The surface is actually smooth. When using a scrunge to wipe it down you can feel where there's still something stuck to the surface, while nonstick is rough even when clean.


Honestly it doesn't take too long to learn how to cook properly on other types of pans. I use my cast iron pans for nearly everything. I have stainless steel for the rest. There is nothing I can't do in them.

The problem is most data shows PTFE as having significant pyrolysis after 400-500c in reality it starts to break down enough to poison you around 260c. In general though under those temperatures it’s not particularly problematic, ofcourse ideally we should just never make the stuff to begin with as it’s manufacture and its eventual breakdown are both horrible for everyone.

I mean, did you know most dental floss has PFAS? You have to go out of your way to get PFAS free

Do you know what "countertop sealer" is made of? It's PFAS! Lots and lots of people rub PFAS on their food surfaces on purpose!

The stuff is everywhere even if you think you are avoiding it.


I use a water flosser, and walrus oil for my cutting board.

Much discussion of the tech here, lots of it. Should be definitely flagged.

wikipedia has been hijacked to present one-sided view of the conflict

https://www.timesofisrael.com/edit-wars-over-israel-spur-rar... https://www.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/1pvs1b6/as_a_wikipe...

Problem even discussed and acknowledged by Jimmy Wales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_aQWaxOTE



Your sources are Times of Israel and r/Jewish?


No one who is sane is saying that. IDF is saying – we killed 40.000 combatants who were hiding in ciivilan infrastructure, so unfortunately 1:1 civilian deaths happened, becaue of the terrorist urban warfare tactics hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are using.


Except of course, the IDF high command officially gave the order to "give up all restraint".


were you serving in the last two years and received this order? none of my friends or family have.


Members of the IDF were regularly posting open admissions and even videos of actual war crimes to social media. It was so common, the IDF had to beg them numerous times to stop.

This was the primary method for groups like the Hind Rajab foundation, to locate these war criminals while they were vacationing in other countries to have them arrested on war crime charges.

They didn't need orders, they simply were never told no.


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> saying israelis

No, the IDF has been built up as an occupation force. Therefore, they do occupation force things, like shoot through fences at children, destroy ambulances, post on instagram "I am blowing up this block of civilian housing in revenge for my friend" which is two explicit war-crimes.

I think Israel as a nation has to contend with the level of violence they have permitted to happen to those who they have dehumanized as they've continued to maintain an apartheid state, seize land, and kill without any kind of accountability.


https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447

"On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border: “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals. This is the ISIS of Gaza. This is what we are fighting against . . . Gaza won’t return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”


Do you see how it refers to Hamas? What should this quote prove? To me it proves that high command gives fighters motivational speeches, nothing else.

Also, the measures concluded in the end of the document are about ensuring this was a motivational speech for soldiers that are going to fight Hamas terrorists, not a vague statement.


Do you also believe all people in Gaza are Hamas?

If not, I don't see him making that distinction, by stating to block all food from entering Gaza and dropping all restraints for attacking Hamas.

I did not had he impression there ever were restraints when dealing with Hamas. So restraints were always for bystanders. Which were dropped.


There's no sense asking questions you already know the answer to. Of course those babies are Hamas. If they aren't in baby boot camp right now, they will be 20 years from now. Until then they use their mothers as human shields, so the women have to die as well, obviously. They were breastfeeding Hamas combatants in violation of sanctions.

1 Samuel 15:3 was always the official policy; they are no longer pretending otherwise because they don't have to. Nobody's going to stop them and for anyone that tries, there's the Samson Option.

A more-fun line of questioning that outs the demons among us is asking what someone would do if they had access to a time machine. One particular demographic will consistently and proudly tell you they'd use it to go back in time and murder one specific infant. Not teenager, not young adult--given free range of choice they always opt to kill their opponent at their most helpless, as an infant that cannot fight back--which says all it needs to.


No thing wrong with. They fought Hamas.


Are also all the children in Gaza Hamas? Even the babies?


Yes, it is horrible. But what is the alternative? Does Hamas discriminate where do their rockets go? Lets stop all the wars and live in peace, i really wish that. But hamas does not want it, and it holds gaza as a hostage.


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@mods this is unacceptable behavior (but such threads are full of this), blind fanatics on both sides


Flag and move on (if you can, I feel your frustration). @mods does not notify anyone.


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Said home was forcefully taken though. Legally / internationally Israel was allotted certain land (without the inhabitants getting a say) after WW2, but they quickly decided (on their own) that it wasn't enough and they started invading / colonizing land outside of what they were given.

If you're wondering why palestinians are angry, there's your answer.


> Said home was forcefully taken though.

Prove it.


>but they quickly decided (on their own) that it wasn't enough and they started invading

And the 6 Arab armies were just hanging around in there, yeah?


> becaue of the terrorist urban warfare tactics hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are using

This is ridiculous.

I don't want to be a Hamas apologist; they're certainly brutally cynical enough to use civilians as shields, but in the case of Gaza, what else would you expect them to do?

Urban areas are strong defensive structures, and 75% of Gaza is urban. Where else would you expect them to fight? It would be unrealistic to expect Hamas to take on the IDF in open farmland so they could be annihilated by Israeli air power.


So they started a war they knew would cause mass death to their civilian population. How is that not the same thing?


You can't give all the blame for the deaths to Hamas. They gave Israel a monstrous provocation, but the decision to kill tens of thousands of civilians, and collective punishment by denial of food, water and medical care was the Israeli government's.

If party A is using a human shield, and party B decides to kill the human shield to get revenge on party A, then who is culpable for the death? I don't think it's an entirely obvious answer. I don't think anyone who can easily and automatically put all the blame on party A or B has really thought it through.


This is not revenge, this is war. Until Hamas surrenders (they haven't) they are responsible for the civilian deaths.


I have a close friend who got her pretty hardcore asthma and nasal issues under control over last year. Her quality of life improved dramatically after doing this thing – I tried some basic first exercises and I felt there is some practical resemblance to breathing meditation. Anyway, I am planning to get more into it and would definitely recommend it if you upper respiratory issues have strong negative effects on your life.


There is a Slack alternative with image / video embeds/uploads based on and fully compatible with IRC – IRCCloud, which is founded and built by early Last.FM team. – https://www.irccloud.com

I worked on the client for a couple of months back in 2015, added a quick "channel switcher" – it was a fun project where I learned about fuzzy matching and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_metric and looked at how most editors did their "Search project files" commands.


>irccloud

Very interesting, reminds me of the Movim client for XMPP.


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