> You could say the same thing about enterprise-oriented distributions like CentOS that actual companies relied on and had to migrate away from. Some of those arrangements are more fragile than they look. What happens if Canonical is acquired? What happens if IBM spins off Red Hat?
In 2009 the CentOS maintainers was AWOL and nobody had any idea where they went and had no access. This caused issues with releases obviously.
There been quite a number of times where people have died, just got bored, had health issues and a project just stops and sometimes people don't access to things.
> Bazzite is arguably even easier to migrate away from because it’s immutable. You’re not supposed to be making major changes to layered packages, you’re mostly installing things with Flatpak, Homebrew, throwing stuff in your home directory, or leveraging distrobox. In other words, my entire backup/restore strategy is to backup my entire home directory, my brewfile, and listing out all the flatpaks I’ve installed (might be handled by the home directory backup anyway? I have to do a restore exercise sometime soon)
That sounds all horribly complicated.
I have a dotfiles, 5 bash scripts and a ~/bin folder for anything outside of package manager. I migrated my laptop to Arch recently from Debian and fixing the scripts was literally copy the script, and do a find and replace (I literally put pacman instead of apt install and most of it worked).
It not that much of a big deal to move between distros.
It’s not horribly complicated. I have a single 3 line script capturing the current state of my homebrew, flatpak, and rpm-ostree state that runs before Pika Backup backs up my entire home directory.
You have 5 bash scripts and various dotfiles. That sounds a lot more complicated.
Bazzite is really not much different to any of the atomic fedora distributions.
The only thing more complicated about immutable Linux is that you have to rethink how you install packages a little bit, as you’re generally using installation methods that offer isolation from your base operating system.
The big upside of this is that essentially all of your modifications are confined to your home directory, and of course system updates and rollbacks are trivial.
The complexity is hidden. I don't require all the gumph. I just gave bash and a Debian install. Pretending the rube goldberg machine isn't one because you've hidden it behind a facia doesn't mean it isn't one.
When all of that complexity doesn't work (which sooner or later it will), it will be more difficult to fix.
I’m confused, how is an immutable system more complex? How is it harder to fix? Can you be specific?
I don’t mean to say “my choice of distro is better than yours” because I know atomic Linux isn’t for everyone. But if we are talking about complexity specifically, this is an advantage to immutable distros.
Your Debian system never exactly matches any specific build that’s been tested and verified by your distro’s contributors.
Even worse when you run dist-upgrade. I think every Debian/Ubuntu user has been burned by that process at least once in their lives, some people avoid it entirely and clean install.
In Atomic Linux anything breaks there is a single command to revert back to the last system image. Rollback reboot and you’re done:
rpm-ostree rollback
There’s also a tool included to list out and revert to any images from the last 90 days.
If I have some kind of issue I have an exact release that every other user has with the exact same set of system and included packages.
They mean "custom" as "pre-configured to do <X>" where X is gaming. Generally most distributions are not pre-configured outside of a general suite of standard applications.
These sort of derivative distros seem to be aimed at Windows 11 Refugees.
I am not a fan of these derivative distros and I would always recommend using one of the mainline distros e.g Debian, Arch, Fedora etc.
I am using Debian 13 for gaming and the most difficult thing I had to install was a backports kernel which improved performance in some games, in other games it made no difference at all.
Installing Steam and Lutris takes about 5 minutes and it yet another distro for what amounts to installing some applications. I find the biggest issues on Linux gaming is the applying individual workarounds in Steam, and getting wireless controllers to behave properly.
That just isn't true. While it is very good now, it is not faster and more stable than Windows. I have performance issues on Linux that just don't happen on Windows.
Well that is the issue. The experience varies quite a lot depending on a number of factors. Whereas on Windows it doesn't really vary.
I have an all AMD machine and almost all the games will run the same or better on Windows. I have friends that have tried gaming on Linux and all of them have found the experience worse.
I did run a win debloat script from and use a local account so I don't have the Windows Spyware running in the background so that may make a difference.
Just an aside. I've been using Linux for quite a while now (over-20 years) and the biggest issue is that the community constantly misleads new users about the experience of moving from Windows to Linux. The latest iteration of this has been gaming.
Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth.
I’ve had the complete opposite experience for the vast majority of games, where in most cases performance for me has been better on Linux than it was on Windows (can’t compare like for like now as I no longer have a Windows install outside of a VM). Friends of mine experience weird mid-session crashes and hangs on Windows that I’ve never had on Linux. I’m running an Nvidia GPU which is supposedly some kind of Linux boogeyman, but have had only one issue with EDID of a specific monitor and that’s it. Just my experience YMMV.
> Perhaps it’s just evidence that anecdata isn’t some universal truth.
This isn't though. I have hard numbers. I've actually measured the performance. You get 5-20 FPS less and often more input latency and stutters (1%, 0.1% lows). If the machines doesn't well with Linux, it can be much worse.
Basically on HN whenever you express an opinion based on a significant amount of experience. You get someone basically saying "this is anecdote". There is a difference between "an anecdote" and "I've actually have a huge amount experience with this stuff.
Have you produced an exhaustive survey across a wide range of hardware and driver and display manager combinations? I’m happy to be an outlier here but my own experience doesn’t match with what you described hence my reply.
If I admit to anything less than doing a gamer nexus style benchmarking suite you will just claim it is an anecdote.
I have actually tested on a number of different distros and display managers and at least two different video card chipset manufacturers. No it isn't exhaustive, but it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true. Even if it is the case,the results are so variable you are better just using Windows because things are more consistent.
I am saying this BTW as someone that first started using Linux in the early 2000s. I think gaming now is really good on Linux. Is it better than Windows? Well I don't have to run Windows now to play games and that is good enough for me.
And I get totally different results. It not just the distro. It the version of the Kernel, the version of proton, whether you are using X or Wayland etc. Etc. Etc.
The very point I am making is that it is so variable. So posting benchmarks pretending that it proves anything is asinine.
I won't even get into all the other issues with the mouse getting lost on some games, text being too small/to large. Having to fuck around with LD_PRELOAD flags and loads other gumpth that is never mentioned on a YouTube video.
Your claim was that you tested and "You get 5-20 FPS less and often more input latency and stutters (1%, 0.1% lows)", "it decent enough sample size to determine that the claim that Linux performs better than Windows isn't true". That you tested so well, that it can't be considered to be anecdata. You claimed that it is universal truth.
So I provided you with solid data from testers, who found many cases in which Linux was on par or faster than Windows.
I confused Jae-woo (a Korean name) with Jaecoo. I think I must have mis-spelled the name when googling them after seeing the Dealership near me. However I do remember Daewoo, I don't think there many left on UK roads.
> The only reason why cars are the size and shape they are is because ICE engines couldn't be made smaller. Electric engines on the other hand are small enough that I can have the chassis of a fully functioning car be light enough to lift by one man.
You have seen a motorbikes/mopeds, scooters and micro-cars surely?
An electric bike is essentially a moped which have existed for like 70-80 years now? A small cars have been around since the 1950s.
Cars are the shape they are because normally you want the option of carrying 1-5 people. 5 people is 2 adults and 3 children. BTW cars in the past were much smaller. Compare the size of any car from the 1930-40s in the UK to a modern European car and you will notice it is much smaller they are.
There was once a fad of young women (usually in recruitment) posting their holiday photos. Usually they were wearing revealing outfits, one was wearing something so revealing I could see her lingerie. This was a fad for about 6 months on LinkedIn.
What the recruitment companies seemed to never post was actual jobs, the thing that they are supposed to be doing.
When I get a very attractive recruiting trying to connect with me on LinkedIn, I just assume that the photo is LLM-generated. The person behind the profile is probably like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. Being conventionally attractive is usually helpful when networking for business.
> Surprisingly, UK legislation doesn’t define “mechanically propelled”. Lawyers usually define everything, even words that seem obvious.
The terminology is self explanatory. Therefore it does not need any further explanation even for legal purposes. Also generally smart ass workarounds don't work with the magistrate and/or courts.
You say that, but "mechanically" in the dictionary gives "In a mechanical manner."
"Mechnical" gives "Of or relating to machines or tools."
"Machine" gives "A device consisting of fixed and moving parts that modifies mechanical energy and transmits it in a more useful form." and "A system or device for doing work, as an automobile or jackhammer, together with its power source and auxiliary equipment."
An ox & cart fits the bill for "machine" with that lens. Not sure it's a smart-alec workaround, any more than the likes of McVities arguing the biscuits vs cakes in court for Jaffa Cakes. Anything not defined is fair game.
It is perfectly obvious to me and to the vast majority of people. That is why they didn't bother defining it further.
> An ox & cart fits the bill for "machine" with that lens
No it doesn't. I don't think you thought this through. The cart itself cannot do anything without something else acting on it. An ox is obviously not mechanical (it being an animal) which is what is propelling the cart. Therefore it is not mechanically propelled.
If it was a person a bicycle then would be more ambiguity. But it is commonly understood that a bicycle (excluding e-bikes which are mopeds) is not a "motor vehicle", because it is propelled by the rider.
"Propelled" is the other term in that definition. A conveyance might be mechanical in the sense you describe without being propelled by a machine.
At the same time, an individual person being blown forward by a sufficiently large fan might meet the qualification of "mechanically propelled" without being in a mechanical conveyance per se.
But more generally, a vehicle plus a motor of some description would seem to meet the definition. ICE, steam, electric, spring-wound, whatevs.
Calling them travellers and/or gypsies (I know they are technically different groups of people but generally the terms are often used interchangeably) is not in itself a slur.
In 2009 the CentOS maintainers was AWOL and nobody had any idea where they went and had no access. This caused issues with releases obviously.
There been quite a number of times where people have died, just got bored, had health issues and a project just stops and sometimes people don't access to things.
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Proj...
> Bazzite is arguably even easier to migrate away from because it’s immutable. You’re not supposed to be making major changes to layered packages, you’re mostly installing things with Flatpak, Homebrew, throwing stuff in your home directory, or leveraging distrobox. In other words, my entire backup/restore strategy is to backup my entire home directory, my brewfile, and listing out all the flatpaks I’ve installed (might be handled by the home directory backup anyway? I have to do a restore exercise sometime soon)
That sounds all horribly complicated.
I have a dotfiles, 5 bash scripts and a ~/bin folder for anything outside of package manager. I migrated my laptop to Arch recently from Debian and fixing the scripts was literally copy the script, and do a find and replace (I literally put pacman instead of apt install and most of it worked).
It not that much of a big deal to move between distros.