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I wonder how far removed the interim director of the CISA is from any real world security. I bet they have not seen or solved any real security problems and merely are an executive looking over cybersec. This probably is another example of why you need rank and file security peeps into security leadership roles rather than some random exec.


> A few years into the company’s life, founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin actually wondered whether Google needed any managers at all. In 2002 they experimented with a completely flat organization, eliminating engineering managers in an effort to break down barriers to rapid idea development and to replicate the collegial environment they’d enjoyed in graduate school. That experiment lasted only a few months: They relented when too many people went directly to Page with questions about expense reports, interpersonal conflicts, and other nitty-gritty issues. And as the company grew, the founders soon realized that managers contributed in many other, important ways—for instance, by communicating strategy, helping employees prioritize projects, facilitating collaboration, supporting career development, and ensuring that processes and systems aligned with company goals.

https://hbr.org/2013/12/how-google-sold-its-engineers-on-man...


IMO, this could be solved by having a finance team with good workflows and a real human resources team/psychologist on staff that would handle all of the interpersonal drama. It's an interesting anecdote but I don't think it was that great of an attempt or structured well enough to work.


> this could be solved

With a USB stick and FTP. It's very easy to underestimate a problem when you've never encountered it or tried to tackle it in practice. Your shallow dismissal gives that away and brings no insight.

Human beings will always organically organize hierarchically. In a group one will have more initiative, one will be happier to be told what to do, etc. In the end informally you will end up with the same structure. And it's hell to deal with that when formally all have the same authority so none can override each other, but one guy just gathered enough support to do whatever he wants.

Do you think someone far away from everything you do will have a magic "workflow" that tells them what to do about the budget you requested, about the strategic decision you need, or about your conflicts, about who has to do the nice jobs or the shitty ones? And why would they have any say, they're not the boss.

Your logic is no better that those pretending today that a team of AI agents "with good workflows" can just replace all the programmers.


I think it could work if it was designed for it from the ground up. Google's experiment's lasted months, and was, what seems like a whim of the owners, where as a lot of the workers probably expected a traditional company.

Valve the "game" company, has a relatively flat structure from what I've heard, and it's working pretty well for them, but they've also had it for a long time.

So if you have a company, that works like that from the start, that people know it works like that, that it has support for it. You could make it work.

I agree that forcing this structure everywhere wouldn't work, some people can work like this, others can't.


> Valve the "game" company, has a relatively flat structure

Valve has ~300 employees and operates in a field where they can afford more freedoms (try building large infrastructure projects with flat structures). Valve struck a good balance between autonomy for employees while still having some informal central coordination. Formally there are few bosses but in practice project managers and some people with seniority also act in those roles. At scale it can't work if you don't delegate any of the authority to smaller units.

It's bad to have too many or too few layers. Sometimes the result looks the same, lack of coordination and inability to deliver consistently.

Amazon has 1.5M workers. Can't imagine a flat structure working but I'm sure they were overdoing it with layers of management.


Yes this was a joke. Apparently not a well enough known joke, because a bunch of people took me seriously


haha thanks for clarifying mate.


I am paying for both the services right now. I dont mind consolidating that payment and hopefully pay a slightly lower price.


That is not how the world works, be it the past present or future.


> This is only the beginning.

And perhaps the end. If its as serious as you claim it is nothing will come out of it.


Does it matter? Who is listening? Who is reading? Definitely not the Trump administration and the GoP. They simply don't care about these appeals and truths.


> Does it matter?

If they speak up, maybe. If they stay silent, definitely not.


You could still do all or any or none for your own joy.


The point is that most of my joy for these activities comes not from the sitting there doing the thing, but from sharing the result with other people. The human connection is the point.


drop by drop, thats how a bucket fills.


OK, but I want to read news stories about the state of the bucket, not about 25 of the drops.


Agreed. There should be a fee for speaking too. Some passengers are really chatty. In today's world where free speech is already being curbed, Airlines should charge a free-speech fee for passengers who plan to converse.

Separately there should be a fee for opening/closing the AC vent and using the overhead lights.


I try everyday to fail again.


As of yesterday ICE did arrest a couple of Koreans on a valid visa. Look it up.


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